How is quinn allowed to have the highest winrate in 3 different roles at the same time?

Rexxiee·Jul 25, 2018·53 votes·15,983 views

55%+ wr in mid, top and bot lane.

What the fuck riot, how has this champion not been hotfixed yet? Im tired of being forced to ban her for the last 2~3 patches.

99 Comments

Risk of FateJul 25, 201834 votes

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Smitty ManjensenJul 26, 20183 votes

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People were too busy complaining how OP wukong and talon were. Topic of this week is "trapped games and why Riot is still ignoring the snowballing."

They were op, 1 thing being op doesn't justify the other, dunno why circlejerkers don't get that.

Just 4 MemesJul 25, 201822 votes

MonkeyKing Almost like we just saw this and Monkey King got slapped with nerfs.

ValiantKillerJul 25, 20184 votes

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Almost like we just saw this and Monkey King got slapped with nerfs.

Ohh boy, wukong become meta let's nerf him hard but the quinn cancer kit that was like that for years and was highest winrate stay like that.

charge attackJul 25, 20185 votes

Cause you see Wukong more in low elo than Quinn. Wukong is also a strong team fighter and in like 90% of elos every game is just a bunch of 5v5s which Wukong excels at.

No shit you will see more complaints about Wukong.

TSBGhostJul 25, 20183 votes

Wukong was never meta. Wasn't being played in high elo. Was only played in low elo. Wukong is still a bad champion that has a long list of problems

ValiantKillerJul 25, 20181 votes

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Wukong was never meta. Wasn't being played in high elo. Was only played in low elo. Wukong is still a bad champion that has a long list of problems

Tell them that please, people think cause champion is able to 100-0 he is a good champion. Take him in lane against strong laner like yorick or urgot or Rene, then pray to god for mercy to escape that lane not to mention once he burst someone he mostly have his w down which expose him to alot of damage burst .

KlydeFrogJul 25, 20182 votes

Most champs on the game can 100 to 0.

BoulderoxJul 25, 20184 votes

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Ohh boy, wukong become meta let's nerf him hard but the quinn cancer kit that was like that for years and was highest winrate stay like that.

you can at least see quinn engaging

ValiantKillerJul 25, 20189 votes

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you can at least see quinn engaging

But i don't see anything after she engage , lol

CaveslothJul 26, 20183 votes

4 Points to Gryffindor. Well played.

Sharpest glassesJul 26, 20181 votes

Wasn't even meta

ValiantKillerJul 26, 20181 votes

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Wasn't even meta

Eh whatever , i just enjoying that i can't play him anymore cause he is pick or banned

Daddy AntsJul 25, 201811 votes

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Almost like we just saw this and Monkey King got slapped with nerfs.

You call that a slapping?

I call it a tap on the wrist.

MFTORANK1Jul 25, 201811 votes

It's not the champion that needs a nerf, it's the damage in the game that is way too high. Quinn is never a problem when lethality and AD burst isn't a problem.

summoner 14 ELECTROCUTE is way too strong because there's 0 viable defensive option in the game atm.

AhrisJul 26, 20181 votes

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It's not the champion that needs a nerf, it's the damage in the game that is way too high. Quinn is never a problem when lethality and AD burst isn't a problem.

ELECTROCUTE is way too strong because there's 0 viable defensive option in the game atm.

Quinn is crazy strong even without electrocrute. She just has waay too much mobility to roam and to dodge skill shots to engage that just makes her quite impossible to deal with.

Go in range, she uses e auto, if not dead, blind u with q and finish u with her next empowered auto.

But if she isnt in range to auto, she can easily dodge all spells and go into range to auto. It is not even an outplay since anybody can dodge it in that kind of ms.

She needs to have a weaker lategame.

BrightWîngsJul 25, 201810 votes

its literally item 3095 this item is so broken on Quinn she hasnt had any actual changes since 8.7

Dog of PavlovJul 25, 201810 votes

Combination of conqueror nerfs, scaling crit ADC nerfs, bad defensive options early, lack of tank meta, snowball-y games, etc. all benefit Quinn a ton.

SirLapseJul 25, 20184 votes

Nautilus is still capable of 1v1'ing her. Lack of tank meta literally is the reason she gets to fly around picking people off. It's amazing what kind of things tanks negate and how the game is really like when you take off the lid that was blocking the jar of bs.

Stuff was balanced to handle tanks being in the game, so naturally having a lot less of them in the meta equates to...well, rampant damage snowball.

KlydeFrogJul 25, 20182 votes

Any champ that has a engage will 1v1 her.

DeusVultJul 25, 20182 votes

I play exclusively tanks and I find that since no one is really playing scaling carries anymore that you can survive longer, especially since everyone is obsessed with playing bursty assassin type champs.

The problem is that it remains almost impossible to protect your squishy teammates from getting blown up

Just 4 MemesJul 26, 20181 votes

I tried explaining this for MonkeyKing as well, but the nerfs came anyway.

Sharpest glassesJul 26, 20181 votes

Stormrazor and Duskblade werent reason of Wukong OPness. Wukong isn't reliant of dusk for OS, and don't even build storm.

With Quinn Stormrazor isn't the only reason (lane bully, tp nerf, strong ignite, snowbally, hard roaming AND stormrazor).

IllabetheJul 26, 20181 votes

Her win rate is correlated with 8.6 + her rework. She went from having 2 marks in her entire kit to having every single skill remark an opponent. Now she can proc 2-3 marks in 2 seconds, before opponents can even get out of her blind.

BrightWîngsJul 26, 20181 votes

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Her win rate is correlated with 8.6 + her rework. She went from having 2 marks in her entire kit to having every single skill remark an opponent. Now she can proc 2-3 marks in 2 seconds, before opponents can even get out of her blind.

But she was fine until now 8.6 has really nothing to do with it. She went through 5 whole patches before she even started becoming broken her win rate was fine not too high not too low from what I remember. The 8.6 buff was needed for Quinn theres a reason litterally almost no one was playing her. Part of me thinks that if in 5 patchs of nothing being done to the champion means it's not the champion that is the broken part it would be what ever came out 5 patches after and guess what that was item 3095

IllabetheJul 26, 20181 votes

She wasn't. She had a 63% Win rate throughout Season 7 as Top, and 58% as Bot. But..... she had less than a 1% play rate as Bot, and something like 1.37% play rate as Top, so people low prioritied her.

Go look at her historical win rates.

During Season 7 she was being built pure lethality, and it worked just as fine as her current build, because item 3147 had a significantly larger on proc damage hit.

She wasn't reworked until season 6, so "5 seasons" without being broken is inaccurate information. Pre-Rework, her R had a cooldown and she only had an occasional random mark from Passive, and from her E. She used to actually fight as Valor too..... not just explode into feathers on arrival.

She's like the Nidalee of adcs: Low play rate, but high win rate, but scarcely adjusted.

BrightWîngsJul 27, 20181 votes

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She wasn't. She had a 63% Win rate throughout Season 7 as Top, and 58% as Bot. But..... she had less than a 1% play rate as Bot, and something like 1.37% play rate as Top, so people low prioritied her.

Go look at her historical win rates.

During Season 7 she was being built pure lethality, and it worked just as fine as her current build, because had a significantly larger on proc damage hit.

She wasn't reworked until season 6, so "5 seasons" without being broken is inaccurate information. Pre-Rework, her R had a cooldown and she only had an occasional random mark from Passive, and from her E. She used to actually fight as Valor too..... not just explode into feathers on arrival.

She's like the Nidalee of adcs: Low play rate, but high win rate, but scarcely adjusted.

Bro I said 5 patches not 5 seasons and talking about season 7 is pointless and doesn't matter when lethality Quinn was good so was lethality talon and zed nor do I think it's important talking about before her rework these things are pointless to talk about these things are litterally over 1 or 2 years ago they simply don't apply to the current day because they were.....1 or 2 years ago to simply make my point you place Quinn in a one shot meta she becomes broken the lethality/assassin update when everyone was one shotting each other guess who was strong, Quinn before everything spiraled out of control after the ADC changes she was by no means broken I mean she was hardly played for a reason when a champ has a high win rate but a low pick rate that doesn't mean the champ is by definition OP that just means people who one trick/main that champ are bringing up the win rate simply because they are good at said champion somthing that is broken is when somthing has a high win rate and a high pick rate kinda like Sion a few patches ago Quinn right now on OP.GG has 55% win rate and a 7% pick rate she is CLEARLY broken but if it was 55% win rate and 1% pick rate then she is CLEARLY wining because of one tricks.

IllabetheJul 27, 20181 votes

Zed and Talon weren't pulling 63% unadjusted in Season 7. Quinn was.

She was hardly played because people weren't tracking her. She had a 58% win rate as adc in Season 7 with a .72% pick rate as adc, and 1.37% as Top and 63%.

Nidalee in Season 7 Had a 1.33% Pick rate as Jungler yet had a 67% win rate.

It's not about being crappy champs or there being a legitimate reason people didn't play her. It was about her having no primary role, and people in season 7 generally only playing champs which were accommodated by 1 role.

How often did you see Vayne in Top Season 7? It was 55% win rate, but very rare to pick. She was drawn purely to Bot.

If you decided to Ahri Jungle, people would call you a troll, yet it's completely viable AND competitive with meta junglers. So...... everyone plays her Mid.

BrightWîngsAug 1, 20181 votes

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Zed and Talon weren't pulling 63% unadjusted in Season 7. Quinn was.

She was hardly played because people weren't tracking her. She had a 58% win rate as adc in Season 7 with a .72% pick rate as adc, and 1.37% as Top and 63%.

Nidalee in Season 7 Had a 1.33% Pick rate as Jungler yet had a 67% win rate.

It's not about being crappy champs or there being a legitimate reason people didn't play her. It was about her having no primary role, and people in season 7 generally only playing champs which were accommodated by 1 role.

How often did you see Vayne in Top Season 7? It was 55% win rate, but very rare to pick. She was drawn purely to Bot.

If you decided to Ahri Jungle, people would call you a troll, yet it's completely viable AND competitive with meta junglers. So...... everyone plays her Mid.

bro you giving those numbers is only proving my point I dont see really anything wrong with nid having a 1.33% pickrate and a 67% winrate you know why? Because you are looking at graphs that are platinum and above not global if you look at global you see that in 2017 she had under a 50% winrate but when you change it to plat and above she has a 63% winrate in 2017 given that she still has a low pickrate that means the one tricks in plat and above are wining because they one trick the champion same thing with your Quinn numbers her winrate is above 60% in mid 2017 yet you go to global mid 2017 she had above a 50% winrate then tanked down to under 50% then out of no where in 2018 she skyrockets why? because in 2018 they fixed a ton of her bugs and gave her this item item 3095

the reason the numbers you are giving are useless is because of the lack of the majority if Quinn or Niddalee had a 60% winrate through out the entire game yes they would be a BIG problem this is why Quinn is broken right now because all players playing her are wining not a specific group of people that is small in numbers. Niddalee was sitting below 50% global yet a 60% in plat and above this does not mean shes good how good a champion is depends on how well EVERYONE is doing not like 5% - 10% of the player base.

ParoeAug 1, 20181 votes

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bro you giving those numbers is only proving my point I dont see really anything wrong with nid having a 1.33% pickrate and a 67% winrate you know why? Because you are looking at graphs that are platinum and above not global if you look at global you see that in 2017 she had under a 50% winrate but when you change it to plat and above she has a 63% winrate in 2017 given that she still has a low pickrate that means the one tricks in plat and above are wining because they one trick the champion same thing with your Quinn numbers her winrate is above 60% in mid 2017 yet you go to global mid 2017 she had above a 50% winrate then tanked down to under 50% then out of no where in 2018 she skyrockets why? because in 2018 they fixed a ton of her bugs and gave her this item

the reason the numbers you are giving are useless is because of the lack of the majority if Quinn or Niddalee had a 60% winrate through out the entire game yes they would be a BIG problem this is why Quinn is broken right now because all players playing her are wining not a specific group of people that is small in numbers. Niddalee was sitting below 50% global yet a 60% in plat and above this does not mean shes good how good a champion is depends on how well EVERYONE is doing not like 5% - 10% of the player base.

You.... you realize that when people think "this is broken" they looked to the above gold ELOs because thats where people stop making less mistakes and start to learn macro skills? You look to low ELO to identify pubstompers like Yi and blitzcrank, not global. The only time global anything matters is when youre comparing it to other ELOs.

For example, last season lee sin was at a 30% pick rate with a 45% win rate across all regions across all ELOs. In diamond+ he was at a 25% pick rate with a 53%+ win rate, across all regions. The upper ELO compared to the global showed that lee-sin was extremely effective and - by the law of meta - broken and in need of severe nerfs (he got love taps by the way, not nerfs. Still has the highest AD burst combo in the game, and itl be even higher when his next buff comes through).

BrightWîngsAug 1, 20181 votes

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You.... you realize that when people think "this is broken" they looked to the above gold ELOs because thats where people stop making less mistakes and start to learn macro skills? You look to low ELO to identify pubstompers like Yi and blitzcrank, not global. The only time global anything matters is when youre comparing it to other ELOs.

For example, last season lee sin was at a 30% pick rate with a 45% win rate across all regions across all ELOs. In diamond+ he was at a 25% pick rate with a 53%+ win rate, across all regions. The upper ELO compared to the global showed that lee-sin was extremely effective and - by the law of meta - broken and in need of severe nerfs (he got love taps by the way, not nerfs. Still has the highest AD burst combo in the game, and itl be even higher when his next buff comes through).

yes youre right they make LESS mistakes but when youre giving me a 1% pickrate and a 60% winrate its simply useless that doesnt mean anything other than one tricks are player that champ doesnt mean they are broken just means the one trick is good on the champion as to be expected since they one trick it

and Lee sin is a hard champion yet a popular one so its to be expected that people at higher levels of skill perform better on him and people of lower skill perform poorly.

the point I am making is that if a champion has a high pick rate and high win rate across everything then it is indeed broken like Quinn is but when quinn has a 1% pick rate and 60% win rate in the middle of 2017 doesnt make her broken if she was TRULY broken then she would have a high pick rate and high win rate thats how you tell if a champ is busted when more people are playing it and majority of them are wining its one thing for lee to have a high pick rate and high win rate in high elo that makes sense even though there is a lower amount of players 25% is still pretty high 1% is no were close to a high pick rate

SwiftKitten88Jul 26, 20181 votes

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its literally this item is so broken on Quinn she hasnt had any actual changes since 8.7

yeah riot is completly stupid if they didn't see that one coming, especially after me and a buttload of other people pointed it out before it even went live.

fun fact.. "buttload" was actually an old form of measurement"

buttload (plural buttloads)

(obsolete, Britain, West Country) A regional English measure of capacity of a heavy cart (a butt), containing 6 seams, or 48 bushels, equivalent to 384 gallons.

BrightWîngsJul 26, 20181 votes

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yeah riot is completly stupid if they didn't see that one coming, especially after me and a buttload of other people pointed it out before it even went live.

fun fact.. "buttload" was actually an old form of measurement"

buttload (plural buttloads)
(obsolete, Britain, West Country) A regional English measure of capacity of a heavy cart (a butt), containing 6 seams, or 48 bushels, equivalent to 384 gallons.

lol the more you know

TSBGhostJul 25, 20186 votes

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55%+ wr in mid, top and bot lane.

What the fuck riot, how has this champion not been hotfixed yet? Im tired of being forced to ban her for the last 2~3 patches.

Low play rate Maybe higher in lower elos, but that doesn't mean shes good

CeazaruJul 25, 20183 votes

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Low play rate Maybe higher in lower elos, but that doesn't mean shes good

Check league of graphs man. she has a 50%+ win rate in every role from bronze to diamond. 9.3% pick rate in Bronze, 9.6% in silver, 10.4% in Gold, 11% in Plat, 11.3% in Diamond. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/quinn/bronze

princeblumpkinJul 25, 20185 votes

She's unpopular, and unpopular champs are allowed to be OP as long as they do so while staying under the radar. People are starting to notice, so expect nerfs soon.

RainXBladeJul 25, 20185 votes

It's because of item 3147 + item 3095

This shit is what's allowing her to kill anything she can use her E on.

The EcdysiastJul 25, 20183 votes

How is ~~quinn~~ Nidalee allowed to have the highest winrate in 3 different roles at the same time?

Season 3 flashbacks to when Nidalee was viable and then so many people complained that she became the worst champion in the game for years.

Noor SakataJul 25, 20182 votes

Wukong has his own problems , he can't be helpful at all unless he 1 shoots enemies , he needs a rework , and he has no cc besides his ult , and no real dps , he needs a rework ASAP while Quinn is ranged and fast af and has 2 strong abilities while one of them is point click

SwiftKitten88Jul 25, 20182 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/quinn/platinum

holy shit...

and it's not just plat. EVERY elo

Lucian WaifuJul 25, 20182 votes

It's because roaming and getting early leads is so hot right now in solo queue. If League was more about standard teams with tanks and real team comps that wouldn't lose to early roams then she wouldn't be so oppressive.

ΗuaweiJul 25, 20182 votes

At least she offers counterplay and she's squishy. Stun her and kill her.

If someone jumps at you from stealth and can delete you that's an entirely different matter. At least with Quinn, you know where she is and where she's coming from.

Nausicäa Jul 25, 20182 votes

Uhh no? Whats the counterplay to a Quinn running at you with 700 movespeed blinding you and then mini stunning you with her dash back? Ya none.

Nausicäa Jul 25, 20182 votes

Dont worry guys they are nerfing her armor on the PBE. Ignore the fact that her entire kid is cancer. Balance team so smart.

GodlyBaneJul 26, 20182 votes

better nerf Kindred

Wild GeeseJul 26, 20182 votes

Because Quinn's play rate was one of the lowest in the game she wasn't really a problem.

In order for that winrate really be a problem she actually has to actually be in more games than 1/100. Now that she's in 7/100 they will probably do something with her...

GaliöJul 26, 20181 votes

Yeah it's funny. On one of my smurfs I would play quinn mid since the start of the season and get flamed. But as soon as people start playing her she is OP not a troll pick. Think about how many more champs are strong or viable and people will get flamed for playing until they get popular by some random Bozo.

I think that's the most interesting part of this fiesta in the forums about quinn.