Vayne's "weak early game"

Niyumi·Sep 16, 2016·5 votes·711 views

Yeah, at level 1 she can instantly deal half my health any time I go near the minions, kill me the SECOND she hits 6 (while under tower), and do half my health whenever the fuck she wants because she has her W. Such a weak early game.

But you know, she's a fair, balanced, healthy champion who does % max health true damage for being able to perform with one of the literal hardest kits in the game and spam AAs on people. Yep. That's balanced. I just feel outplayed when she clicks on me and does 700 damage with one auto, then does another 600, and then another 1300 with her passive, instantly killing anyone she goes near, regardless of how tanky they are. She NEEDED that buff on her Q, yeah. Just such a weak, pitiful champion.

56 Comments

AstôlfoSep 16, 20169 votes

People would take you more seriously if you didn't overexaggerate and cry about every single thing.

NiyumiSep 16, 20162 votes

I wish I knew how to record games so that I can just link a video and tell you to fuck off.

Void NargacugaSep 16, 20162 votes

http://www.replay.gg/search/na/Sciela#

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 16, 20161 votes

Were you playing lulu? Because your runes and masteries look kindof terrible.. for bot lane anyways

NiyumiSep 16, 20161 votes

I was Tristana.

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 16, 20161 votes

._. tristana = second worst earlygame adc lol

vayne is the first and likely has an advantage over tristana specifically earlyon

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 16, 20166 votes

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Yeah, at level 1 she can instantly deal half my health any time I go near the minions

vayne has no instant burst, you are fucking lying

archerno1Sep 16, 20165 votes

She cant instantly deal half your hp on lvl 1. If she starts q it will hit u for like 100 damage. If she starts it will deal 6% of your hp. 6% is not half of your hp, its literally 6%. And she has to hit u 3 times to proc it, which would pull minion aggro and due to her short range u can punish her hard for it.

NiyumiSep 16, 20162 votes

Vayne auto + Q + Sona Q + Sona auto -- Any time I go near minions, I lose half my health.

And, even if I auto her, I do a fraction of the damage.

FallenAngel16Sep 16, 20162 votes

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Vayne auto + Q + Sona Q + Sona auto -- Any time I go near minions, I lose half my health.

And, even if I auto her, I do a fraction of the damage.

thats a problem with sona

imagine if you had sona and the enemy had any other support

sona is the strongest support in lane. with the weakness of having no escapes. meaning your jungle has to camp sona OR you instantly auto lose the lane+game

real thing you should complain about is sona. whichever adc gets sona gets a free lane win. by extension, if the enemy jungler is smart and camps sona then the sona team gets a free loss

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

Sona is easy to kill in lane, vayne completely obliterates you if you try to do anything in lane and sona just helps. Vayne is the menace that should be worried about in Kane cause she basically auto wins the lane due to her "early weaknesses"

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

Um no. Please actually learn about Vayne before you make ignorant statements.

Brutalitops01Sep 16, 20161 votes

Sona is pretty weak in lane, however she's probably the strongest poke support right now. However, her early game has been nerfed because she goes URF mode late game now.

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 16, 20161 votes

that's called a kill lane.. or really its just a sona lane in general. If you can't take the poke then you need to solve that or vayne will get to skip her weak earlygame. Its a strategy. Who was your botlane?

TyrekGoldenspearSep 16, 20164 votes

Just play Caitlyn and laugh at her range while you chunk her from a long distance when she can't do a thing to you.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 16, 20163 votes

lol man stop making shit up at lvl one she dont even have silver bolts yet just Q and an a vayne at lvl one with base ad 56 ad + 9 ad from runes is 65ad + item 1055 is 73 ad lvl one and if she uses q which is an empowered auto attack would be 73 ad + 30 % bonus ad being 30% of 17 ad for a total of 5ad so 78 ad before masteries and armor pen, that is far from 600 damage

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20162 votes

her "early game weakness" is a myth. its what poeple constantly say because they dont want their vayne to be nerfed

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 16, 20164 votes

she is weak early compared to lane bully adcs who have range and higher ad ratios then she does. vayne dont hit a power spike til about lvl 9 and that is if she is maxing W 1st.

NiyumiSep 16, 20162 votes

Her "weak early game" ends as soon as she puts a point in W. And, before that, she's not even weak.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20161 votes

Pfffffft. Mmk kid.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20161 votes

Or no, you just know nothing.

TyroneWatermelonSep 16, 20162 votes

While you are very overreacting , I still can safely say Vayne is NOT hard to play and NOT hard to master,I don't know who started this myth but the sheeps followed really hard.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

Um. She has one of the highest mechanical skillcaps and difficulty levels of almost any champion.

TyroneWatermelonSep 16, 20162 votes

sorry m8,all she got is a spammable dash and right click,nothing else. there is no mechanical difficulty in any way

Buff Jax pleaseSep 16, 20162 votes

Vayne is pretty weak early game compared to most adcs though. That's why she always falls behind when played at a decent elo.

She is however not hard to play, thats a myth.

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

Honey her weak early game is a myth, if an ADC can be a kill threat at lvl 2 then she doesn't have an early weakness.

Buff Jax pleaseSep 16, 20162 votes

Yeah in low silver she can be a kill threat at level 2. At my elo she gets dunked hard in 95% of the lanes.

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

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Yeah in low silver she can be a kill threat at level 2. At my elo she gets dunked hard in 95% of the lanes.

honey ive seen vaynes get a lvl 2 power spike in every elo ( thanks to channels like tekk), she isnt gonna tickle in lvl 2 she fucking chunks and her q is basically a free dodge and poke.

Buff Jax pleaseSep 16, 20163 votes

Lmao...and I see Vaynes getting stomped in lane regularly...basically every time I play a ranked match. There is a reason her winrate for games finished in under 25 mins is 43.55% at Platinum or higher. Infact she doesn't even reach a 50% winrate until 35+ mins.

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

She is a weak laning adc compared to other botlaners, and your personal experiences of getting dunked by a Vayne at level 2 (which is impossible btw if you don't suck at the game) don't matter because you play the game at a terrible level. Not trying to insult you but thats how it is.

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

yeah im bad because i cant win against auto win adc vaynes i see..

Buff Jax pleaseSep 16, 20163 votes

You are bad cause you are in Silver IV lol.

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

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You are bad cause you are in Silver IV lol.

honey im silver cause played ranked for only a few games and all of the games were ridden with enemy vaynes that get triple kills and allied idiots. i stopped playing ranked after it was worthless to even try and climb through elo hell

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

Honey, that attitude is part of the reason. Now stop crying and trying to act arrogant and condescending when you're completely ignorant.

AptestSep 16, 20163 votes

yes. That's the truth. Everybody who's objectively "good" can and does win against "auto lose" adc vayne, and does it with consistency. those are the simple facts.

so if they can and you can't, it means: a) you're not good. b) vayne is not auto win lane. the opposite.

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

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yes. That's the truth. Everybody who's objectively "good" can and does win against "auto lose" adc vayne, and does it with consistency. those are the simple facts.

so if they can and you can't, it means: a) you're not good. b) vayne is not auto win lane. the opposite.

honey if vayne isnt auto win then why is it whenever i look at bot lane the enemy vayne already has 3 kills at about 10 mins into the game? **EVERY ** single game ive seen vayne is DOMINATING bot lane and you say shes not auto win lol. vayne CHUNKS health bars, ignores armor, and has no counterplay when the vayne is behind even the slightest competent team

AptestSep 16, 20163 votes

I would say your memory is highly selective and you are just remembering the few games with a snowballed Vayne as if they were representative of the whole.

Because all the data is against you.

Support players, as a whole, don't like Vayne on their team. You know why? Because half of them go ham at some random inappropriate moment at levels 2-3 and end up dying a lot, the other half want to be permanently body-guarded and allowed to AFK farm for their late game, and ALL OF THEM are addicted to "MadVaynePlays" in the mid/late game ending up in a suicide ADC scenario and a lost game.

you know what tilts me the most about Vayne, as a low Elo support player? The game starts, I am on fountain, and the vayne emotes: "Symbol of the noob". Yep. That's the sign.

HahahahyenaSep 16, 20161 votes

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I would say your memory is highly selective and you are just remembering the few games with a snowballed as if they were representative of the whole.

Because all the data is against you.

Support players, as a whole, don't like on their team. You know why? Because half of them go ham at some random inappropriate moment at levels 2-3 and end up dying a lot, the other half want to be permanently body-guarded and allowed to AFK farm for their late game, and ALL OF THEM are addicted to "MadVaynePlays" in the mid/late game ending up in a suicide ADC scenario and a lost game.

you know what tilts me the most about Vayne, as a low Elo support player? The game starts, I am on fountain, and the vayne emotes: "Symbol of the noob". Yep. That's the sign.

there arent any vaynes on ym team because the enemy always instalocks her and with good reasoning, shes fucking auto win and im remembering ALL vaynes from my games and EVERY vayne gets AT LEAST a double kill bot becuase shes auto win lane.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

Or you know, your botlane is garbage and doesn't know how to play against her. And you know nothing about how memory works either apparently. Great.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

Or you're just crying incredibly hard.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

Honey, you should really just stop talking if you know nothing.

AptestSep 16, 20161 votes

Any ~~ADC~~ support can be a kill threat at level 2, given that the ~~support~~ ADC isn't shit and backs them up with whatever when they make a play.

IE. what kills you is the leona EQ + follow up. Or the nami WQ + follow up. or the Braum Q + follow up. or the Taric Q + follow up.

you get the gist of things? its the support's fault.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20161 votes

Honey, stop crying and learn what you're talking about.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20162 votes

"not hard to play"

PFFFT. I suppose her having one of the highest mechanical difficulty levels in the whole game isn't a thing.

Buff Jax pleaseSep 16, 20161 votes

Lmao..yeah righctlicking is hard.

AstôlfoSep 16, 20161 votes

That's not the difficult part bud. It's her short AA range, being literally one of the squishiest champs in the entire game stats wise, and learning to actually manage her in 1 v >1 situations, as well as kiting and knowing when to ult (outside of just securing a definite kill), working with your support in early, etc etc.

Buff Jax pleaseSep 16, 20161 votes

There are alot of champs with lower base stats than Vayne. Anivia, Sona, Ezreal, Soraka, Janna are just examples.

Her AA range is 550 which is average and 425 more than most melee champs. All your points can be said about AD Master Yi too, he has even short auto attack range since he is melee, he is squishy, you need to learn how to time your Q and E in 1v1 situations as well as your W reset. Only difference is that he can't even kite because he is melee so he always takes full return dmg...imo that makes him alot harder than Vayne.

Brutalitops01Sep 16, 20162 votes

Vayne is a champion who has a decent early game when you know how to play it right, but is really supposed to be more of a late-game hypercarry. She's kinda like Twitch, another late-game hypercarry who, if played well, can be an extremely oppressive lane bully. The thing that makes Vayne so difficult, though, is her short range. 500 basic attack range, as compared to most champion's 550. Who were you playing? I saw someone down there mention Lulu. Level one she goes to trade with you, you don't just take it; you hit her ass back and throw your Glitterlance at her.

Looking at the stuff from replay.gg over there, here's your first problem: you built full AP as a support. Start item 3303 and 3 HP potions. Build into item 3098 and item 2049 first back, if you can. If you can't, just pick up the Frostfang and the Ruby Crystal. That's 900g, easily achievable by first back if you started Spellthief's. Next back, pick up your Frost Queen's Claim, and from there go into building some AP utility items. item 3504 , item 3222 , item 3050 , and item 3174 are all good choices. You can also build more tanky if you need defense. I'm an ADC main, and if you built item 3027 item 3001 item 3100 as my support Lulu, I would be very upset with you. Your second problem is your runes. I have no clue wtf that rune page is, but it should be 9x hybrid pen reds, 9x flat armor yellows, 9x flat mr blues, and 3x AP quints. Hybrid penetration is because you'll be autoattacking a lot in lane fights, and for Lulu especially hybrid pens give you more overall damage than just AP or mpen. Those are your biggest problems. Masteries look fine, though depending on the lane you might want to take Windspeaker's instead of Thunderlord's.