tanks are obsolete because all they offer is CC

Moody P · 2019-06-28T16:36:30.930Z

in a design era where everybody is given a snare stun or pull just to fill up their spell slots because every new champion needs to have an answer for every situation, this simply doesn't work unless the tank has especially BS CC. (nautilus, alistar) and for a while they did; s7 tank rework, Ornn, Galio. but riot has rightfully nerfed their CC after seeing that, no, sejuani stunlocking you from the other end of the lane for 4 is not cool or balanced at all now these champions are all just lesser bruisers and completely irrelevant because other champions now have just as good CC and plenty of damage too. Its no coincidence that a lot of the strongest mages right now are the ones who are packing CC chains Ive said it for years and years now that tanks should not only exist to shit out CC on everything near them and now we see the result of that design coming to its end; nobody gives a shit about these champions or wants them on their team unless they're just flatly overtuned like sejuani and Galio keep ending up being

SuicidePlankJun 28, 201928 votes

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imagine unironically believing this

Well I would believe that, if my Botlane was as good as theirs. Fuck, I would play Tanks more often, if I could rely on other people and them pulling their weight.

KelgJun 28, 201912 votes

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Well I would believe that, if my Botlane was as good as theirs. Fuck, I would play Tanks more often, if I could rely on other people and them pulling their weight.

Tanks would be worth a damn if everything didn't just tear through armor. I literally built 3 armor items as Mordekaiser and was getting assassinated by a Talon in less than 2 seconds(we were both at full build). Only time I could kill him was if I ulted. This shouldn't be happening.

Pika FoxJun 28, 20199 votes

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Tanks would be worth a damn if everything didn't just tear through armor. I literally built 3 armor items as Mordekaiser and was getting assassinated by a Talon in less than 2 seconds(we were both at full build). Only time I could kill him was if I ulted. This shouldn't be happening.

It shouldnt be happening because

it literally didnt
Morde isnt a tank

Starcraft243verJun 28, 201910 votes

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It shouldnt be happening because

it literally didnt

Morde isnt a tank

Plot twist :

The 3 armor item he bough : item 1029

KelgJun 28, 201911 votes

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Plot twist :

The 3 armor item he bough :

Just checked and it was actually 2 i had item 3056 item 3143 but I also had item 3151 item 3116 and had around 3400 hp and 208 armor. Still shouldnt be bursting me down.

3TWarriorJun 29, 20191 votes

he is a frontline champion with a very large shield that typically builds items that offer health and defenses...

he may not be a crowd control "tank" but he is certainly at the front-lines

Pika FoxJun 29, 20192 votes

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he is a frontline champion with a very large shield that typically builds items that offer health and defenses...

he may not be a crowd control "tank" but he is certainly at the front-lines

Doesnt make him a tank.

goodiesohhiJul 2, 20191 votes

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he is a frontline champion with a very large shield that typically builds items that offer health and defenses...

he may not be a crowd control "tank" but he is certainly at the front-lines

Tanks are frontline champions. Frontline champions aren't tanks. To be technical, Bruisers aren't tanks. In LoL, tanks traditionally specifically refer to champs like Naut or Sej or Zac whose primary role is to provide cc and soak up damage, they often boast strong single target damage but rely on base damage and build tank because they don't scale as well with damage stats. Morde is a Juggernaut. Juggernauts are Bruisers and usually have at most 1 hard cc or a strong soft cc (like Illaoi). They dish out some of the highest damage in the game but need to stick onto a target to dish it out. They can do a lot of damage to multiple people but are countered by peeling and kiting. They usually build half damage half tank and are not as tanky as tanks, relying on sustain and shields to soak up damage rather than just raw stats. I think riot introduced new wording like calling tanks Vanguards and Wardens or something to make it less confusing idk. Examples: Garen: Juggernaut Maokai: Tank Mundo: Juggernaut (He builds full tank though) Sejuani: Tank Darius: Juggernaut Nautilus: Tank Aatrox: Juggernaut Chogath: Tank Yorick: Juggernaut Nunu: Tank Trundle: Juggerugettheidea

3TWarriorJul 2, 20191 votes

one of the main problems with it is that older players refer to front-line champions as tanks (but have learned to call them by a few names) and Riot decided to throw the whole system into chaos. What used to be a tank was whatever champion could take the front-line

then they redefined tank as something that could take damage and apply crowd control

even in other games, the tank is typically whoever can go to the front-lines and attract aggression from the enemies, even if they're a more offensive class

also, I get the concept of "defining" the differences, but who is going to understand the differences between warden, vanguard and all those other technical terms for defining champions that do basically the same job even if they play differently

it seemed like another "change for the sake of change" idea

Pika FoxJun 28, 201912 votes

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imagine unironically believing this

Its literally true. Pay attention in any competitive match. The tank is generally the person that decides the game, as theyre the primary initiator.

PB4UAMEJun 29, 20197 votes

They are initiating champions, of fucking course they will start the fights . . . that's literally their only and primary purpose?

Check the damage charts, ADC are far and away the highest damage dealers, they decide far more of the game and are far more decisive for the outcome than tanks are.

BestPudgeNAJun 29, 20193 votes

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Its literally true. Pay attention in any competitive match. The tank is generally the person that decides the game, as theyre the primary initiator.

Except for the fact that the person they're initiating on also has agency to you know... not get engaged on. But the tank has 0 agency on his team following up on the engage correctly. Then you realize they have very little agency. Once you understand this you will understand why even when tanks are good very few people will play them in solo Q

Pika FoxJun 29, 20192 votes

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Except for the fact that the person they're initiating on also has agency to you know... not get engaged on. But the tank has 0 agency on his team following up on the engage correctly. Then you realize they have very little agency. Once you understand this you will understand why even when tanks are good very few people will play them in solo Q

Thats a problem with players in solo queue being garbage, not tanks being bad.

NineTailedMysticJun 29, 20192 votes

LCS shouldn't be the determining factor.

Pika FoxJun 29, 20191 votes

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LCS shouldn't be the determining factor.

It is THE determining factor. What is good or not at the highest level of play is the only thing that matters if youre talking about what is or is not good.

NyarlathοtepJun 29, 20192 votes

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It is THE determining factor. What is good or not at the highest level of play is the only thing that matters if youre talking about what is or is not good.

But thats stupid. Why balance around the BIG majority of the playerbase around the extremely minority that cant fundamentally exist in soloq. You are matched with 4 random players. You cant have the same communication like these 4 were premade, you know where people you know, know their playstyle and perks yada yada. We cant play like lcs because we lack the tools AND the practise. They have played together for who knows how long. Have i played with randomplayerX194 that long? No i havent. Then why the fuck should i have to play a game that balances around these factors?

My god im so happy someone like you doesnt get to balance. Stay at arams btw.

Pika FoxJun 29, 20192 votes

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But thats stupid. Why balance around the BIG majority of the playerbase around the extremely minority that cant fundamentally exist in soloq. You are matched with 4 random players. You cant have the same communication like these 4 were premade, you know where people you know, know their playstyle and perks yada yada. We cant play like lcs because we lack the tools AND the practise. They have played together for who knows how long. Have i played with randomplayerX194 that long? No i havent. Then why the fuck should i have to play a game that balances around these factors?

My god im so happy someone like you doesnt get to balance. Stay at arams btw.

Yes, why balance around good players and proper gameplay. Seriously, do you read your comment? Riot already balances for everyone with a pro bias because thats the elo that REALLY matters, as less skilled players get better over time.

NyarlathοtepJun 29, 20191 votes

Yes, why balance around good players and proper gameplay

facepalm You cant expect communication that premades have when playing with strangers. You just cant. G E T O V E R I T . It simply cant exist.

Riot already balances for everyone with a pro bias because thats the elo that REALLY matters

No it doesnt. Or at least it shouldnt. Again, WE ARENT LCS. WE DONT HAVE THEIR COMMUNICATION. We dont practise with the same people. And we will never unless we choose to do so.

Pika FoxJun 29, 20192 votes

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facepalm You cant expect communication that premades have when playing with strangers. You just cant. G E T O V E R I T . It simply cant exist.

No it doesnt. Or at least it shouldnt. Again, WE ARENT LCS. WE DONT HAVE THEIR COMMUNICATION. We dont practise with the same people. And we will never unless we choose to do so.

Sucks to be you, get better.

NyarlathοtepJun 29, 20191 votes

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Sucks to be you, get better.

Omegalel. Implying you get to have the same communication with strangers as you have with your premades. Weird coming from a mere aram player xD

Pika FoxJun 29, 20192 votes

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Omegalel. Implying you get to have the same communication with strangers as you have with your premades. Weird coming from a mere aram player xD

Dont need their level of communication to get good at the game. They have to deal with you while climbing, and they can still do it. Youre just making personal excuses to not get better and demand changes for you simply because youre just not good enough.

NyarlathοtepJun 29, 20191 votes

Dont need their level of communication to get good at the game.

Ofc you need. Some champs by nature demand friendlies around to work. Like yuumi. If her team is 0, she will be 0 too. Some champs require more coordination with their teammates than others. Actually why the fuck do i argue with you? You never actually listen to reason. Not weird tho. Being a brat i suppose makes sense as to why you cant comprehend a lot of stuff. Bye now go back to your bridge. You will eventually understand why lcs and soloq arent the same. Eventually.

Pika FoxJun 29, 20192 votes

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Ofc you need. Some champs by nature demand friendlies around to work. Like yuumi. If her team is 0, she will be 0 too. Some champs require more coordination with their teammates than others. Actually why the fuck do i argue with you? You never actually listen to reason. Not weird tho. Being a brat i suppose makes sense as to why you cant comprehend a lot of stuff. Bye now go back to your bridge. You will eventually understand why lcs and soloq arent the same. Eventually.

Again, excuses for your own shortcomings. If youre a diamond support, you can get from iron to diamond playing yuumi in solo queue.

goodiesohhiJun 28, 20194 votes

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imagine unironically believing this

He is not wrong. In competitive play, bruisers are nonexistent and you either have a carry fighter in the toplane and you jg or supp is a tank or your top is a tank. The best JG's are mostly tanks + the broken jg of the week (ew khazix or something) with rek'sai, sejuani and the like being the most consistent junglers. Even when they pick a champion that's traditionally not a tank like olaf trundle or lee sin, they will only really build tank.

KelgJun 28, 20196 votes

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He is not wrong. In competitive play, bruisers are nonexistent and you either have a carry fighter in the toplane and you jg or supp is a tank or your top is a tank. The best JG's are mostly tanks + the broken jg of the week (ew khazix or something) with rek'sai, sejuani and the like being the most consistent junglers. Even when they pick a champion that's traditionally not a tank like olaf trundle or lee sin, they will only really build tank.

Didn't know we were all playing in the LCS. I actually don't give a crap about pro play. In soloqueue picking a tank is asking your team to carry you.

MimrJun 28, 20195 votes

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imagine unironically believing this

It's true now that old Conqueror is out and new Conqueror has been nerfed to the point of just being another keystone, as long as you have a coordinated team. The LUL LEAGUE OF BURST complaint is a bad meme by now. Tanks are the backbone of your teamfight formations. A good tank makes his carries unreachable. Then it's just right click for the carries. And unless you're packing serious amounts of true damage tanks can survive more than long enough for their carries to just delete the enemy team. Tanks' only weakness at the moment is their carries actually surviving the laning phase and of course themselves not feeding their ass off. If they can do that and the other team doesn't have a tank it's gg because they won't have any teamfight cohesion. Now imagine Sejuani Rammus Nunu also actually being able to carry their squihies through the laning phase because they have excellent ganks from level 3 onward and you have the recipe for why these are God-tier for coordinated high skill play.

tanks are obsolete because all they offer is CC

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