Stop making the MID lane assassins all be low-no risk/high reward!

JavelinJoe·May 17, 2016·4 votes·356 views

was nerfed to allow assassins to deal their full kit of damage as long as it was not hard cc, but was added so they could also escape. WTF seriously Riot? And now Fizz's ult can't be dropped.

"Assassins should not have part of their kit's damage removed by the click of a button". Well if this is the reasoning why does every mage now have an escape at the click of a button? Isn't leaving the attack range of an auto-attack based champ removing part of their kit's damage? And it is also at the click of a button!

Stop making the MID-lane assassins all be low-no risk/high reward. It is getting really annoying having no efficient way to counter these abilities, especially as an ADC.

20 Comments

Mecha MaIphiteMay 17, 20162 votes

Yeah let me just build item 3152 on Talon

SukishooMay 18, 20161 votes

Yup, that's what all pros do right?!

ZT XperimentorMay 17, 20161 votes

I concur, conventional mages have been fighting uphill battles against hyper-mobility/safe assassins. And the 'reworks' have been for the most part, unsuccessful.

DreadlocksMay 17, 20163 votes

Because assassin's are suppose to counter mages... obviously theirs more depth to the lane than just x beats y, but for the most part this holds true and it should.

ZT XperimentorMay 17, 20161 votes

I agree, however riot keeps making mages have worse times fighting assassins. Example, removal of nearly all mana regeneration; despite zed & yasou, katarina, ext. still bulldozing mid lane.

DreadlocksMay 17, 20163 votes

Except they gave u morellos which is still strong, u have a much simpler build path to zhonyas now which also gives u cdr, as does the new abyssal that gives even more resistances and cdr. So I don't know wut ur talking about. The options are their and much easier to obtain.

I think ur example is poor and perhaps there is amother reason why assassin's are doing so good vs mages. Im not going to pinpoint every example. But maw is def a factor. Armor pen and Mr plus the shield is a little much for an assassin based item. But that's just my 2cents, u can keep thinking it's mana regeneration though.

ZT XperimentorMay 17, 20161 votes

Simplier doesn't mean better; remember the preseason patch? They added a bunch of new items for marksmen because they had stale build paths, maxing out either critical hit chance, or attack speed. With the nerfs to other ability power items, the problem will return, making only a few items worth taking. More cooldown reduction is pointless when you're out of power to cast anything.

Obviously denoted by your eager downvote; nor do I expect you to explain every counter example, however I'm asking what particular example you're thinking of, that I may not have noticed.

I'm not just saying mana regeneration, the removal of the WotA was also a big factor; physical assassins can pick up any lifesteal item and often sustain indefinitely in lane, but mages are denied this luxury? It's a design inconsistency that's clearly stilting the table. Several other mage items also had their efficiency nerfed; sure nomicon is still decent, but it's cost went up by 500 gold. Hourglass had it's ability power dropped & active cooldown increase; while I agree with the cooldown increase, it seems odd to nerf it's power again. There's other things like this through the item sets that have crippled several mages, which riot is 'attempting' to fix, whether they succeed is to be seen.

DreadlocksMay 18, 20163 votes

There was only 1 champ consistently building wota, ur just pulling shit out of ur ass at this point lol.

ZT XperimentorMay 18, 20161 votes

Oh like how only 2 physical carries build attack speed huh? Do some research before pointing fingers.

DreadlocksMay 18, 20163 votes

Ur the one who needs to do the research rotfl... ur making wota sound so universal when really only Vladimir was building it. Even mord dropped it after the rework buddy

ZT XperimentorMay 18, 20161 votes

Never played as swain, ahri, or fiddlesticks huh? Another oblivious sheep bleating, at the dog doing it's duty.

JavelinJoeMay 18, 20162 votes

No, Vlad was the only one who truly used it often enough

ZT XperimentorMay 19, 20161 votes

So? See anyone use the ohmwrecker? item 3056 Why isn't that removed instead? At least the will of the ancients seen gameplay after it's nerfs.