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So assassin update was supposed to add counterplay to assassins?

Saianna··4 votes·1,516 views

This is MY OPINION . I 100% understand if you would disagree with me. I'm not taking Winrates into consideration. But how champions feel playing with, as or against them. Do they feel good, toxic, bad or stupidly strong. That kind of thing. Also no need to inform me about possible champion counterplays (like Katarinas daggers & shunpo & more). I know about it :) Oh yeah, if you downvote me, be so kind to give your reason. So I know you aren't another hater/troll, thanks!

Katarina has not lost even tiniest ounce of her damage. On top of that she jumps by far more often than before. So "just stun her" becomes "throw EVERY POSSIBLE CC at her general direction and hope she'll jump right into stun". What's even worse she became "tankier". She builds heavier than before, thus survives longer. With her having and knowing when to use Zhyona your problems practically triple. To win against her you have to have "anti Katarina" team. Plenty of CC & burst... Which is exactly the same as old katarina.

Overall her rework was change for no reason. She's just as BS to play against as before. Counterplay added: 0.. Actually even less than before.. -1 lol, cause now she can Shunpo to her daggers. GJ trying to gank her now.

Rengar is another flower. I couldn't fully understand how new rengar works, yet it didn't stop me to just spam random keys and always get at very least one kill. It was stupid. Spam Q then Q [enemy has been slain] then AA once or twice then W then Q [enemy has been slain]. Got stunned? NP, lemme press W. And that 30% AD passive.. Jesus Christ, who was in charge of THAT?! Counterplay? Nope, not in this town.

Khazix I haven't tried him. But I sure did try death animations after Bruiser build Khazix jumped on me in 1 spell rotation. ROA and Rylai? This amount of HP doesn't even cover his Q damage. At least from the "Big Cancer Trio" he can be somehow punished. Untill he evolves his jump and R. After that you can forget touching him.

Talon i had seen 1 good Talon so far. And he's so-so. Definitely not dangerous as before. There sure is counterplay. Kinda Riot outdid themselves with adding counterplay I guess?

Leblanc this one sure did lost her teeth. Along with jaw and rest of the head. Don't take me wrong. She has damage. In lategame she sure is scary if played well. But she sure gets punished of even thinking of attacking. It goes to the point where bad players (like me) have to just forget about fancy tricky LC$ plays with her passive, and instead make old Combos. Kinda funny how Graves Q deals more damage at level 3 than LB Q-Passive-W. Well, good job on this case. She definitely has tons of counterplay now. Even too much tbh.

Zed was he even changed? Ah he was.. He received tiny change. Passive AD% from W -> R on enemy kills with their AD%. So now to get AD he has to do.... what he always did. Yep, 0 change. QSS doesn't work on his mark Counterplay added: 0 Can't kill our golden chicken, right?

Fizz [Haven't tried him]. Just saw few players and.. he also lost his teeth kinda.. He jumps, squirms around, AAs, troll poles and all of that to get a kill, often dying in the process. Dunno, maybe those players were bad.

Ekko No huge change here. he builds bruiser now (not tank, but bruiser). Eats squish HP like fat kid eats popcorn. And that lovely "press to survive" R. His synergy with Lichbane along with his passive and damage from spells is beyond stupidly good. At least he doesn't tank better than malphite, so that's good... ish.

Twitch Kinda got better. He sure has can hurt, but as rest of "assassin wannabe" ADCs he's squishy. Haven't seen him lose in 1v1 ADC duel yet. Depends on players playing him I guess.

Shaco Funny. From all possible champions he was least hated on boards. Sure there were some guys who'd say his stealth is OP, or he is too safe, but overall he wasn't in any needs of nerfs. And so Riot did change him. AD is bad. AP is good... ish. Tried him several times and AP is the only way to go. His JitB received laughable duration buff and overall is alot worseto use, because counterplay. His E received quite a big nerf, but it's fine he still has new Q... Which is like going full kamikaze if you won't kill your target. R received another laughable buff, which gives free gold to enemy. Funny fact: His Q works on turrets. Counterplay for AD: None, cause noone plays Shaco AD Counterplay for AP: like 5 or 6 tools to make your JitB useless. Which is kinda pointless cause JitB sucks anyways

So his basic combo Q-E-Runic Echo-AA is unchanged and still in need of some counterplay.

Akali Almost forgot about that one lol. She's bad. no other way to say this. Riot made 1 counterplay against her which works like a charm: "Akali cannot kill, nor damage enemies". Seriously, seen few of them already and it was a distasrer. AP, AD, tank, you name it. Didn't work. Her "kill-window" was even larger than Evelynns and THAT is something simply BAD. It's like Riot tried to break her on purpose.

Nidalee I guess Riot decided not to touch Nidalee. She already has ultimate-tier of exacution in her cat-Q, AoE and mobility. Not saying she's OP or something like that. But she sure is an assassin.

Teemo No changes here either. And thank god for that. I sure would rage quit league if some Stashu wannabe came and made Teemo spam E all the game with 3 useless piece of trash abilities. Or another R nerfs.. I hope it won't happen.

MasterYi Looks like Riot thinks of him as fine assassin-fighter. I'd say his ability to destroy tanks with mixed damage is kinda too stupidly strong, but looks like everyone is fine with that.

Evelynn I am 100% honest here. When I heard of "ASSASSIN UPDATE", the very first thought I had was: "FINALLY, Evelynn! They will rework you!".............. Well... Shit. We still have this tank-assassin that can't kill ADC in 1v1 scenario and just wanders aimlessly on battlefield hitting that and this for some hopes of lucky kill or assist. She did receive buff where she can get hit without popping her stealth. That's nice. Also that pink hue while stealthed. Weird at best.

Counterplay added: 0

It feels like there were 3 groups working on this update.

  1. Hardworking group = They have reworked best 3 assassins (Kha, Rengar, Katarina) and most likely Talon as a bonus after work
  2. Lazy or Clueless Team = They changed stuff here and there. They missed like all of what players wanted to see. Zed no changes, Shaco broken weak. Akali derped, Fizz got Fizzed
  3. Item/Support team = They were busy adding new sets of tools to counterplay assassins for supports... Aaaaand counterplay mages, cause why not.

By the way this thing item 3814 sure did what I was afraid of what might happen. Now assassins (ADCs aswell) have so many different MR options, that mages can't burst them at all. Oh well I always felt as ADC main... Sooo.. NERF MAGES!!111 ADD COUNTERPLAY!111 REMOVE THE BURST!!1111 I DIED VS MAGE WITH 34 MR. NERF THEM!!1111 Also.. NERF TANKS!!!1 I CAN'T ONESHOT THEM!!111 LAST WHISPER TOO EXPENSIVE!!111 GIVE IT FOR FREEE AT LEVEL 1!!!111

10 Comments

Ralanr1 votes

Katarina was given more tools to play with and gave those tools ways to be played around for her opponents. Basically avoid the daggers.

Rengar actually has to stay in the fight to get his empowered abilities now. He can just save stacks for later.

The rest idk.

Saianna1 votes

told you. i know about that.. I even gave an example of katarinas daggers.

All that knowledge doesn't help if your team is CC-poor and CC has travel time longer than 0,3s.

Rengar case.. Why kind of Rengar would stay away of teamfight.. I don't get it. he used to be go in and kill then tank and die kind of assassin. So for him losing stacks outside of fight isn't big nerf at all.

Ralanr1 votes

If you're team has poor CC against Kat then that's your team's fault.

As for Rengar, I believe it was to prevent him from just saving his stacks.

Lunar Lunacy1 votes

You know that you have to wait like 1.5 seconds before leblanc's passive mark triggers and THEN you get the bonus damage, right? As a leblanc main I entirely disagree that she has lost her burst. In fact, she actually has more potential burst now. It just doesn't come out as quickly, which is probably the counterplay window they were hoping to open. But you can use her skills in literally whatever order you want. Instead of q+w to get largest level 2-3 burst, you can w+q, e+q, w+e, w+e+q, q+e+w, q+w+e, basically whatever the hell you want. The world is her oyster. Just make sure you don't go in before the mark triggers so you pace your skills a bit. And since now her ult can cast any spell instead of just the last one you used, it adds even more versatility to the combos you can use. Personally my favorite is w+e+q+r, using the r to copy e so you keep them locked down, then q again because the cooldown should already be up. By that point they should be dead already. Here's match history so you can see Leblanc no sucky https://gyazo.com/9e4c6e0ec6fb65e2b0a00556c8ed5b5f

Lunar Lunacy1 votes

Oh and another VERY important thing that is not to be overlooked, in the case of Leblanc and Fizz... The changes greatly improved their farming/wave clear potential. Before, if you wanted to be an efficient Leblanc farmer you needed to max W. Now, you can level up Q or E if you want to and just use W to apply the passive to the minions, or as a gap closer or an escape, not a main damage source. Then you use Q, clear the entire wave in one go, and then you're free to roam and get kills like a true assassin should. Before, I'd find myself getting my wave shoved in a lot and not find nearly as many opportunities to roam. Now, Fizz still has some trouble with this, but it's basically the same deal. Before you would have to max his troll pole to clear waves quickly. Honestly it's probably still a good idea because it's good to have the decreased cooldown, however they did offer another very nice option to people like me who prefer to max W on him. The auto-refresh and mana refund on a last hit is gold, and the fact that activating his W now resets autos make last hitting with it feel even better. Think Jax if his W refreshed on a minion kill lol. Anyway, on a champion like Fizz who often gets zoned off his farm the added farming/wave clear tool can help him get off the ground.

Astôlfo1 votes

Learn to play against them and stop crying.

ajmail1 votes

Dude i main talon, and he is insanely powerful now if you know what you are doing! the update was a huge buff for him imo.

iTs TanMan1 votes

Someone get this man a gallon of water, the salt is overwhelming him!

Saianna1 votes

Weird, cause while writing this I wasn't salty.

Maybe you are overreacting?

Vaksin1 votes

tbh I laned against most of those assassins and I managed to deal with them. It mostly depends on the player skills. I think that they are well balanced. If you manage to shov the lane and deny them roam they won't be a big of a threat. in team fights just save ur cc for them.

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