"People are finally playing bruisers top lane again in competitive play, quick buff Lulu!"

FalconPawwwwnch·Jun 16, 2016·44 votes·2,887 views

Riot's thought process

65 Comments

Wînter FoxJun 17, 201617 votes

All those top lane bruisers Swain Fizz Ekko Vladimir Teemo

Remlap1223Jun 17, 20161 votes

I see 5 tanks.

AhristocatsJun 17, 20165 votes

of course, they are 5 champs that deals nearly no damage and focus on cc'ing the enemy team.

RalanrJun 17, 20161 votes

You're a lot nicer than me.

RavenMagusJun 18, 20161 votes

"Deals nearly no damage" is a support trait.

Tanks deal lots of damage.

KONO RUBICK DAJun 19, 20161 votes

true tanks deals a lot of damage in early mid game, and no damage in late game

Rammus Sejuani Nautilus

chipndip1Jun 17, 201615 votes

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All those top lane bruisers

Teemo is in pro play?

71883083DEL1Jun 17, 20162 votes

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Teemo is in pro play?

yeah i play teemo all the time in lcs

HateDaddyJun 17, 20167 votes

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All those top lane bruisers

Irelia is good again Jax is good again Darius is good again Fiora has never been bad Olaf is hit/miss but I suspect if bruisers get played again, he's re-emerge

And you could very easily make the argument Swain and Vlad are AP bruisers

MunchCrunchLunchJun 17, 20161 votes

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Irelia is good again Jax is good again Darius is good again Fiora has never been bad Olaf is hit/miss but I suspect if bruisers get played again, he's re-emerge

And you could very easily make the argument Swain and Vlad are AP bruisers

Jax is good in the top lane? jax always been terrible in lane and now hes even weaker than he used to be due to item changes. sure tf is better on him now but hes always been terrible in the laning phase.

TNHA BaritoneJun 17, 20169 votes

What

TheThundersRoarJun 19, 20161 votes

Definitely new.

Jax has always been a top laner. The whole Jungle Jax thing has been a thing for only a select few players until Devourer made him a jungler.

Ulquiorra995Jun 17, 201613 votes

-> Lose 30% damage on her main harass/waveclear spell -> Compensation buffs aimed at support Lulu rather than solo -> "Buffed" for solo lane

HateDaddyJun 17, 201610 votes

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-> Lose 30% damage on her main harass/waveclear spell -> Compensation buffs aimed at support Lulu rather than solo -> "Buffed" for solo lane

Tbh riot just needs to kill solo lane lulu entirely and focus on making her a good support

Dasdi96Jun 17, 20169 votes

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Tbh riot just needs to kill solo lane lulu entirely and focus on making her a good support

God forbid there be strategic diversity in the game. Oh wait, lulu is one of the few champions who can reliably stop a nasus from stacking, of course you want her nerfed.

HateDaddyJun 17, 201611 votes

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God forbid there be strategic diversity in the game. Oh wait, lulu is one of the few champions who can reliably stop a nasus from stacking, of course you want her nerfed.

No, Nasus actually does fine against Lulu with corrupting potion. He can outsustain her.

I hate solo lane lulu because it's oppressive as shit, even against other ranged champions. And it's incredibly safe and scales no matter what so there's very little downside to it when it's good. In all reality, it's what discourages strategic diversity because there's no reason not to play Lulu when she's good because she brings both damage and insane utility. They literally changes lich bane because of solo lane lulu, so please let's not pretend she's this intense diverse champion with riveting gameplay and fair interaction.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 17, 20161 votes

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No, Nasus actually does fine against Lulu with corrupting potion. He can outsustain her.

I hate solo lane lulu because it's oppressive as shit, even against other ranged champions. And it's incredibly safe and scales no matter what so there's very little downside to it when it's good. In all reality, it's what discourages strategic diversity because there's no reason not to play Lulu when she's good because she brings both damage and insane utility. They literally changes lich bane because of solo lane lulu, so please let's not pretend she's this intense diverse champion with riveting gameplay and fair interaction.

nasus gets destroyed by lulu in team fights. shes literaly his hardest team fight counter.

MLDzXnRRRJun 17, 20161 votes

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nasus gets destroyed by lulu in team fights. shes literaly his hardest team fight counter.

Nasus and teamfights = lol. He just waits to backdoor. If your team needs you in teamfights, you have already lost with Nasus.

HateDaddyJun 17, 20161 votes

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nasus gets destroyed by lulu in team fights. shes literaly his hardest team fight counter.

Nasus gets countered by everything in teamfights lol

worrying about one champion over any other isn't relevant

EndlessSorcererJun 17, 20163 votes

Nasus has issues with most champions who can prevent him from reaching his targets during teamfights. Generally, you have to work around them.

While Lulu's a pain in teamfights, she doesn't do that much against you when split-pushing aside from being annoying to dive or chase.

Even if neither of you make any progress killing objectives, you are keeping a high-utility champion out of teamfights while you accumulate strength.

Irelia BotJun 17, 20161 votes

in other words it is nunu but you actually scale somewhat decently into the game.

TotalJerkJun 17, 20162 votes

Actually her damage falls off pretty hard after a certain point. Which is especially a weakness for a mid laner. IMO her problem is that her mana regen is way too high early game.

FascistIguanaJun 17, 20161 votes

how did they change lich bane? i dont remember that far back. also how does it not work on her now?

RavenMagusJun 18, 20161 votes

They reduced the scaling of the AP damage from 100% to 50%.

LatetotheRaceJun 17, 20161 votes

Fiora Fizz Graves Irelia Kayle Darius (Pretty much any Marksman top...) Not that big of an issue. (And remember, the best way to stop him from stacking is to kill him.)

MLDzXnRRRJun 17, 20161 votes

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God forbid there be strategic diversity in the game. Oh wait, lulu is one of the few champions who can reliably stop a nasus from stacking, of course you want her nerfed.

Lulu can stop Nasus from stacking? WHAT? The only way to stop Nasus from stacking is to kill him 3-4 times pre 6, so he doesn't want to go top anymore. (He can still gank mid/bot with wither and TP or farm jungle/ empty lanes)

RalanrJun 17, 20161 votes

I'll support strategic diversity when melee has something allows them to work in other lanes. Because fighting a ranged top laner is pretty much hell for a melee top.

If it wasn't, then I'd maybe play a melee carry in bot lane more. Now if people want to tell me that a melee carry would be too powerful if they could properly lane against a ranged carry in a bot lane (because ranged carries are squishy) then I'd like to ask how it's fair for a melee top laner vs a ranged top laner currently.

And yes I know there are holes in this argument, I just get frustrated with ranged top laners because of their ranged AA poke.

TNHA BaritoneJun 17, 20168 votes

So untrue, she honestly was struggling in the support category.

MiraweaveJun 17, 20166 votes

Implying Irelia isn't literally the most bullshit thing in the game right now.

KONO RUBICK DAJun 17, 20161 votes

nop, she isn't, there are far worse right now

Swain

CasterGilgameshJun 17, 20163 votes

Fizz

PunkkeeJun 19, 20161 votes

Draven

KONO RUBICK DAJun 17, 20165 votes

So you thought that bruisers were once again good? Get a hold of yourself

whenever Braum Janna Thresh are picked in a game bruisers can say goodbye to moving (except some terrible exceptions), add Lulu to the list and you won't notice a difference. And that's why you pick Vladimir Swain ) instead of a bruiser

this game for bruisers revolves around bruisers being able to catch you or not ( Olaf Darius Garen ) instead of focusing on meaningful counterplay (like Sion spells), that's the truth of this game

MelledoneusJun 17, 20167 votes

PERIODS.

USE THEM, NOT BE ON THEM.

SpoofghoulJun 16, 20163 votes

Fizz is a brusier

. . .

Voluug13Jun 17, 20163 votes

Bruiser tank assassin mage

KingnewgameplusJun 17, 20162 votes

Bruiser tank assassin mage mobile poison invulnerable disrupter shotgun burst ham sandwich.

Voluug13Jun 17, 20162 votes

patrick

Best princess EUJun 17, 20163 votes

tbh lulu isn't the only bane of bruisers

TNHA BaritoneJun 17, 20163 votes

Karma

DarkRitualJun 17, 20164 votes

Who is currently a better solo laner than Lulu, even while having a less interactive kit.

TNHA BaritoneJun 17, 20163 votes

One of the reasons I almost stopped playing her, interactivity and thematic design was lacking af. But I'm with bae 500 ranked games strong

WukongMainJun 16, 20162 votes

Quick ban LuLu and go back to the brusiers

HemopartyJun 17, 20162 votes

They're nerfing her waveclear and she does less damage when Q-ing you through minions. Her W is getting a straight-up buff, but encouraging her to use Whimsy on on allies means she's polymorphing the enemy less. I feel like these changes are hurting Solo Lulu somewhat and helping her support.

FeathermaneJun 17, 20162 votes

This thread is expected. There is nothing Irelia mains hate more than equality and fairness.

AhristocatsJun 17, 20161 votes

Because lulu is good against irelia?

DarkRitualJun 17, 20162 votes

"Lulu hasn't had pick/ban priority in lcs this season. This can not be allowed to continue!"

A little PeepoJun 17, 20161 votes

Tbh those are some pretty heavy nerfs to solo lulu and her wave clear potential. I'm happy to see riot is buffing her support role and not just nerfing it for once. I could sort of see how those Q changes will increase her overall single target damage but once you Q hits more than 1 target the damage is actually lower than what it is on live since it will only deal 70% damage from the first target hit so her Q at rank 1 has a base of 80 and once it hits another target it deals 56, pretty shitty wave clear tbh