What am i supposed to do against a draven malzahar bot lane?

Succubús GF··2 votes·715 views

I never, not ONE time, have won when it was draven adc and malz support. It is so god damn oppressive, you cant even try to hit draven because if you do malzahar will just annihilate you then itll get to the point where draven doesnt even need malz and can just hit you twice and you are dead and its like ??????? Counterplay ????? Whats that? And yeah sure ill call for my jungler, but if they dont show? And why is that the necessary counterplay. "You must get all 5 of your team to kill 2 people" is not counterplay, thats literally 1) forcing everyone else to do well, 2) requiring them all to leave lane. Like you dont win it and it isnt fair so like ? Are we going to address that or is there going to be more "QQ dont nerf malz" circle jerk. I dont mind malz mid, thats fine i dont give a shit. But one oppressive support + one oppressive adc, like are we just not going to put 2 and 2 together here?

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DarkDeamonDragon3 votes

My greatest successes against Malz bot lane have been with Morgana. She can spell shield his cc and some of his damage and easily pop his passive shield by dropping her W right under him. Do not underestimate the amount of damage from his voidlings. If he drops his E on you, disengage because his voildlings are coming.

With Draven your best bet is going long range, Cait would be your best option imo. Farm from max range and poke him when he gets too close. Use her net as an escape when necessary. With Draven's stack passive you can predict his movements by watching for the icons where his axes will land. Throw out skillshots there so he'll have to decide weather to get the stack or take the damage.

Hope this helps you. Good luck!

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

dont worry about winning the lane , just dont feed the draven

he snowballs hard. play safe and farm what you can and hope you get roams/ganks and try to get a QSS by the time mal get to lvl 6... for his ult and hope you can team fight and get objectives better then they can.

not all lanes are winnable... sometimes knowing this and being passive and not feeding is more important then feeding.

Succubús GF1 votes

They literally dive is my point. You cant stop them from diving

RookPusher1 votes

They can't dive unless you've given them kills. Furthermore, you want to play a "starve them out" game. Also, unless Draven has the upper hand, he's nuke-able. So I would personally take a Cait/Morg combo against them.

Succubús GF1 votes

Really? Because he had deaths dance was 0/0 and dove so like idk what you mean

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

So CC him under turret and kill him.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

varus/morg in my opinion... varus is a natural counter to draven he has cc so if he dive you use E and ult under turret and let them die

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

try cait malz, or jhin malz. legit worse.

l Dárius l1 votes

why do u only post thing complain about champs during lane phase?

Succubús GF1 votes

Because that's what is oppressive? Should i talk about how it takes cait a fuck ton of gold to actually get items to burst but draven builds two and can auto twice for an easy double kill? Or how vayne can go 0/20 in lane but build three items and suddenly 1v5. Mind you that like three of prior posts had to do with late game?

petrosbomb31 votes

Imo draven malza is just a lane can one shot you, but what happens in team fights with 0 kills draven? He will hit counterable dmg and with one qss malzahars ult will be used for no reason. Cait ashe varus may work on bot lane cuz of range and poke or stuns. Sustained supports works too on laning phase (janna, soraka,nami,morgana,lulu), if you pick leona, braum its just free gold for supp . Just dont give him kills, and wait for ganks. He cant kill u in 3v2 before lvl 6. U will use max 2 summs but u get a kill and a turret after that.

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