Why exactly are these mana changes needed?

Seviel Vorose·Apr 17, 2018·8 votes·2,007 views

Mages are going to lose around a full 1/3 of their mana pool by lvl 18 with dumb early compensations, terrible build paths for their first item and another indirect nerf to Archangel's/Seraph's. Just why?

20 Comments

MrHaZeYoApr 17, 20187 votes

I thought mid season was spose to introduce changes to bot lane, not fuck Mages over.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 17, 20182 votes

Seraph's didn't get nerfed...

Pokemonred200Apr 17, 20181 votes

They're upping the mana most mages who start dring (and several support mages who start spelltheif's edge) get at level 1, but nerfing their mana per level, which overall leads to less AP from Seraph's since the max mana at level 18 would be lower. I'm not sure how much they're going to do that, though.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 17, 20182 votes

So it's realistically losing...what, 2 AP? Maybe 3?

It's 3 per 100 mana. I doubt mages are going to lose much more than that.

Seviel VoroseApr 17, 20181 votes

Mages are gonna lose 1/3rd of their mana pool. Around 500 mana, to be precise.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 17, 20181 votes

500 mana?

Sounds like a lot. Also sounds like a change that would be more mentioned than some tiny-ass -1 vote post.

And, even then, it'd be a mere 15 AP. 15 AP isn't much.

Also, early mana is a huge issue on a lot of champions. Late mana? Not so much.

Seviel VoroseApr 17, 20181 votes

Think for a second. I'll take Ahri as an example. Her mana base is going to be increased from 334 to 418, but her mana per level is halved. This means that by level 5, she's already losing out on mana, with a terrible build path as a final strike. The changes are a joke.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 17, 20181 votes

I know.

And, for Ahri, if you run out of mana after your first back, you're a primate.

Your mana problems are primarily from levels 1-4. Once you have lost chapter, you shouldn't be running out of mana. Again, unless you're either boosted, or you stayed out for way too long.

Seviel VoroseApr 17, 20182 votes

Lost Chapter? You mean the item that is getting its prize increased to 1300 gold? And what about other mages with huge mana costs like Syndra etc.? This is so dumb.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 17, 20181 votes

1300g? That's not hard to walk out of lane with. Especially with the changes to boost early mana.

And I have no idea about other champions. I assume they'll be much the same, though. You never see someone run out of mana in late-game. Unless they're out way too long.

Name the last time you saw a mage run out of mana in late-game, and it wasn't because of sheer stupidity.

Step Sis LuxApr 17, 20183 votes

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1300g? That's not hard to walk out of lane with. Especially with the changes to boost early mana.

And I have no idea about other champions. I assume they'll be much the same, though. You never see someone run out of mana in late-game. Unless they're out way too long.

Name the last time you saw a mage run out of mana in late-game, and it wasn't because of sheer stupidity.

1300 gold is not that hard? are we even playing same game?

MrHaZeYoApr 17, 20182 votes

Na these changes are huge. 1300 for a item first back isn't easy, specially for a champion who needs to expend mana to trade. It's also going to make dealing with Energy champs or non mana champs even more tough.

Step Sis LuxApr 17, 20181 votes

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Seraph's didn't get nerfed...

mages are gonna lose mana and seraph passive is scaling with it

Seviel VoroseApr 17, 20181 votes

It is getting indirectly nerfed due to the heavy mana loss.

Seviel VoroseApr 17, 20182 votes

I can't believe people are downvoting this. These changes are DESTRUCTIVE for Mages's gameplay. Like holy fuck what is going on here.

Step Sis LuxApr 17, 20184 votes

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I can't believe people are downvoting this. These changes are DESTRUCTIVE for Mages's gameplay. Like holy fuck what is going on here.

Cuz board is full of ad mains