Is there any way you can choose which one of the two upgrades when you buy both? For the past two YEARS, I've had to sell the Staff when I was at 748 stacks, max the Manamune, and re-buy the Staff again. It might be extremely worth it, but that shit wastes money.
Dynikus2 votesCan you name a single example when you would actually want to run both? I can't picture any champion that that would work well on.
Pierce The Veal1 votesCan you name a single example when you would actually want to run both? I can't picture any champion that that would work well on.
Kassadin.
He double procs muramana on his W, and his ult scales insanely well with mana (those two together get him to 3k mana).
Dynikus1 votesBut literally nothing in his kit scales off ad. I rarely even see him build 
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How long does it even take to stack both?
Ok sure but why1 votesBUT he scales off mana, and his Q, W and all autos will proc the passive
It's for the skilled players who don't need a cheap shield in order to get kills
Pierce The Veal1 votesBut literally nothing in his kit scales off ad. I rarely even see him build
He can instantly proc it 4-5 times in a combo, meaning he deals an extra 24-30% of his max mana in a combo, plus 1-2 times his ad (cause usually you auto a couple times in his combo). 30% of 3000 mana is 900 damage. Not insignificant at all.
Not to mention his iltimate has an amazing mana scaling, so an extra 1000 mana is amazing on him.
And when he casts W and hits a champion, he restores 40% of his missing mana, potentially giving him back enough mana to cast TWO max mana cost ults (800 mana cost, reduced by 25% due to archangels/manamune).
They'll both be stacked around say 25-30 minutes.
Ok sure but why1 votesI go 
got me to rank 7 very quickly
also works well with 
Dynikus1 votesNot to be rude, but you got to rank 7 doing that against unranked and low-mid bronze players. It's much easier to get S ranks in low elos. I promise you there are better items to build.
Ok sure but why1 votesOh yeah, like what? What's better than 400 damage per every auto, 1.60 attack speed, an extra 150 damage on every lightning passive and rocket-grab, a massive heal from every attack, and a literal 2000 shield for when someone might have more damage than you?
A 2000 shield
#2000
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=JZ Jora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TbacH5Ju,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-23T15:27:36.849+0000)
Oh yeah, like what? What's better than 400 damage per every auto, 1.60 attack speed, an extra 150 damage on every lightning passive and rocket-grab, a massive heal from every attack, and a literal 2000 shield for when someone might have more damage than you?
A 2000 shield
#2000
It's really awesome but you'll have a hard time making anyone believe you unfortunately.
I wish akali was a mana champion so I could build both on her lol.
Ok sure but why1 votesI think that's the reason why she's not a mana champ tbh
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=JZ Jora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TbacH5Ju,comment-id=000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-23T17:49:10.485+0000)
I think that's the reason why she's not a mana champ tbh
Also her Q's would each proc muramana three times. It would be amazing goddamnit.
Pierce The Veal2 votesAs someone who likes to play mana tank kassadin, I would love this. It would make him so good :D
Asayake 5150glow1 votesWhich did you buy first? Might need some experimenting.
Also if ur at 748 stacks why tf did u sell it. Just use it once more and then start stacking the Manamune.
Kyrrion1 votesWell that's the point of this thread. He has to sell the staff to ensure he gets Muramana with the first round of tear stacking since if you have both Tear items they "share" the mana count.
Pierce The Veal2 votesWell that's the point of this thread. He has to sell the staff to ensure he gets Muramana with the first round of tear stacking since if you have both Tear items they "share" the mana count.
No the real issue is archangels has priority over muramana (probably cause its alphabetically before manamune), and manamune is 3 times harder to stack, so using archangel's 8 mana on cast to stack manamune is better as opposed to manamune's lame 3 on cast and 1 on auto.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesWell that's the point of this thread. He has to sell the staff to ensure he gets Muramana with the first round of tear stacking since if you have both Tear items they "share" the mana count.
The thing is, once you finish stacking one, the other starts stacking, right? But he was so fking close to finishing Seraph's Embrace - why didn't he just finish it and then start stacking the Manamune?
Pierce The Veal1 votesWhich did you buy first? Might need some experimenting.
Also if ur at 748 stacks why tf did u sell it. Just use it once more and then start stacking the Manamune.
It's because manamune stacks 3 per cast and 1 per auto, while freaking archangels stacks at 8 per cast. Landing two autos puts it on cooldown in the case of archangels, giving a min 2 mana max 6 mana, but in the case of archangels the minimum is 8 mana and the max is 16. It almost stacks 3 times as fast.
Edit: made a mistake, seems the buffed manamune at some point., manamune gives 4 mana per spell cast/auto attack, meaning archangels only stacks twice as fast.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesIt's because manamune stacks 3 per cast and 1 per auto, while freaking archangels stacks at 8 per cast. Landing two autos puts it on cooldown in the case of archangels, giving a min 2 mana max 6 mana, but in the case of archangels the minimum is 8 mana and the max is 16. It almost stacks 3 times as fast.
WAIT WUT
Manamune stacks 1 per auto????
That's not right....
Pierce The Veal1 votesAh wait they apparently changed it my bad. Wiki'd it, now each spell/auto gives 4. Nonetheless, much weaker than 8 per spell.
Handy Sandy 1 votesWhy would you buy both
Ok sure but why1 votesOP
Ralanr1 votesI cannot see why you'd ever want to buy both considering the time it takes to stack. That seems horribly inefficient.
Ok sure but why1 votesThey both scale with max mana, so you'll get a ton of AP and AD from it
Even AP champs can proc the muramana passive with single-target spells, like with
The Arc Staff doesn't take that long to stack; that's the whole point to this thread