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"Movement speed changed to [35% after accelerating for 2 seconds] from [28-45% based on level]"
"Ghost was outclassing flash so hard it was almost used on more than 3 different champions! We can't have that, so we'll take away its instantaneous speed because no summoner should (flash) be (flash) do (flash) that (FLASH!!!). Furthermore, we're going to also make it worse in the late game because its too too op there!!!"
-Riot Game
Xavanic5 votesit was actually being abused on nearly every mage, combine that with boots and ludens and these mages were outrunning anything that wasnt hecarim
ßurst1 votesEven him cmon your giving heca too much credit mages were clearly the quicker ones
Xavanic1 votesat times they were, it did need a nerf, but this isn't the direction to go for said nerf, it should have just been lowered for ranged champs
Pierce The Veal1 votesat times they were, it did need a nerf, but this isn't the direction to go for said nerf, it should have just been lowered for ranged champs
This this this.
Pierce The Veal1 votesit was actually being abused on nearly every mage, combine that with boots and ludens and these mages were outrunning anything that wasnt hecarim
I actually haven't seen a single mage use it. But I wouldn't really call that being abused.
Xavanic1 votesI see so many annies, viktors, luxs, twisted fates, aurelion sols, syndras, ahris running it, and they are so dominant with the pressure it gives (FYI, these are the only mid laners i ever see)
Pierce The Veal1 votesI see so many annies, viktors, luxs, twisted fates, aurelion sols, syndras, ahris running it, and they are so dominant with the pressure it gives (FYI, these are the only mid laners i ever see)
Looking at the statistics, it is indeed a popular summoner. However, it doesn't correlate to a huge or noticeable winrate increase in comparison to the alternative summoners. I believe that to encourage other summoners we'd have to buff ignite, cleanse, and barrier, instead of nerfing ghost. And if we must nerf ghost, nerf it for ranged champions.
Xavanic1 voteslook up, i said this already, and actually, annie has the highest win rate in mid lane when using ghost at nearly 57%
Pierce The Veal1 voteslook up, i said this already, and actually, annie has the highest win rate in mid lane when using ghost at nearly 57%
54% actually, but close enough.
Her flash ignite has a 52.5% winrate, so I'd say the problem might not be the summoners but actully annie herself?
Xavanic1 votesannie is an issue, shes in need of nerfs like now, but riot wont address it, but i agree ghost needed a nerf....but in my honest opinion flash should be deleted and mobility skills changed to not scale off cdr
Pierce The Veal1 votesannie is an issue, shes in need of nerfs like now, but riot wont address it, but i agree ghost needed a nerf....but in my honest opinion flash should be deleted and mobility skills changed to not scale off cdr
Ghost is only as strong as it is because it needed to compete with flash.
So melee champions now won't take it,
While it'll still be good on mages. Hmm sounds like a good fix to me!!!
But yeah I otherwise agree with what you have to say.
Xavanic1 votesWell for ranged champs it needed a nerf, sick of dying to mages i cant outrun
PhantomGG2 votesWell for ranged champs it needed a nerf, sick of dying to mages i cant outrun
i'm more sick of being a jungler that isn't hecarium, looking at the mid lane mage and asking myself
"you have cc"
"you have huge burst"
"and you have flash AND GHOST"
HOW DO I GANK YOU!?
Xavanic1 votesexactly, thats why we should be forcing ghost off mages, so they actually have to think
Pierce The Veal1 votesWell for ranged champs it needed a nerf, sick of dying to mages i cant outrun
I mean, yeah, but unless you're a jungler you could always take it yourself.
Xavanic1 votesIm generally a top laner, so i usually take tp
Pierce The Veal1 votesIm generally a top laner, so i usually take tp
I used to go ghost tele on many top laners, but considering the changes I might switch back to flash.
Xavanic1 votesI usually take f for the outplay potential, i generally play kled so sticking to a target isnt an issue normally
Pierce The Veal1 votesI usually take f for the outplay potential, i generally play kled so sticking to a target isnt an issue normally
I go flash on bursty champions and ghost on dps champions. Flash on ranged champions too. That is my rule of thumb.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesit was actually being abused on nearly every mage, combine that with boots and ludens and these mages were outrunning anything that wasnt hecarim
Good thing we can't put melee/ranged clauses on things or the melee champs that need it would be getting nerfed for no reason
Xavanic1 votessure we can, just look at warlords...too bad they make the clauses so small its not even noticeable
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TKkN8qNE,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2017-01-12T07:13:42.240+0000)
Good thing we can't put melee/ranged clauses on things or the melee champs that need it would be getting nerfed for no reason
Thanks based rito.
Zen Ineth1 votesI think they should have hit the cooldown first. If it gives too much for the low cooldown, then it seems natural that it'd be the first thing they tweak, instead of the utility.
Pierce The Veal2 votes[{quoted}](name=Zen Ineth,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TKkN8qNE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-12T07:11:44.664+0000)
I think they should have hit the cooldown first. If it gives too much for the low cooldown, then it seems natural that it'd be the first thing they tweak, instead of the utility.
Tbh I think it should actually have a shorter cooldown, but also a shorter duration.
At least that's one of my thoughts for it.
Silencega1 votesryze stormraiders homegaurds and ghost. dark times
Pierce The Veal1 votesryze stormraiders homegaurds and ghost. dark times
Tbh ryze should have gotten all the nerfs, with none to ghost.
Xavanic1 votesThey should have jsut made it so ranged champs got half the boost, thats it
Pierce The Veal1 votesThey should have jsut made it so ranged champs got half the boost, thats it
That would have fixed it yes.
BlueBilberry1 votesWell, ghost in that state is going to be a boon to the new Warwick plus Singed. Ghosted Singed support anyone?
Pierce The Veal1 votesWell, ghost in that state is going to be a boon to the new Warwick plus Singed. Ghosted Singed support anyone?
Good point.