Zoe might be a Mid lane burst mage but she is likely a better Support.

JavelinJoe··6 votes·1,493 views

Super long range, high damage poke, nice CC, and she can use her opponents Sightstone (maybe), exhaust, heal, flash, etc. While mid might be her intended role I believe support is where she will end up. Because why bother facing some mid who has just as much mobility and burst as you do when you can nuke squishy and usually immobile enemy ADCs with your Q from a really long range away?

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Packun Flower4 votes

The problem Zoe is going to have is shes going to hit the rift with an identity crisis just as Camille did.

Riot states Zoe is a burst mage, however nothing about her kit is burst damage and calling her a burst mage is simply incorrect.

While paddle star can be very powetfuk, its also very unreliable for damage.

In reallity Zoe is more of an AP assassin and battle mage Hybrid. Her ult allows her to get into the back line to damage the squshies and also allows her to get out right after, and her kit more closely resembles that of champs like Fizz Leblanc Diana as in shes difficult to target, has some great mobility and can control a team fight by using the zoning preassure of her Paddle star. She also relies heavily on auto attacks and thus needs item 3100 as a core item.

She also gets rewarded heavily for roaming. Sleepy bubble trouble is an easy to land ganking tool that can really catch an enemy off guard if you land it from over a wall, do so allows you to follow up with an easy paddle star and ult combo from behind thst vrry same wall. On top of that, spell thref reward you for preassuring enemies into using thrir spells to escape your ganks.

As Zoe you want to roam. You want to gank and you want to assassinate. Zoe has all the tools needed to do it and thats not something you would find on a burst mage. If she hits the rift in that stste Riot is going to have to do to her whst they did to cammile. They are going to have to sit down and decide "do we wsnt her as the Battle mage assassin hynrud? Or do we want her as a burst mage" if they want her to be burst they will have to shave some mobilitu from hrr kit and give her higher cooldowns. If they want to keep her as an assassin then shes going to have to lose some damage growth. Its exactly what they did with cammile. Cammile was doing to much of everything and things had to br shaved from het kit and numbers adjusted.

Its still early though, all we can do is see how things play out on the PBE before jumping to and conclusions.

MetalGearTeemo2 votes

Paddlestar is basically set up for free off of Sleepy Bubble, which is set up largely for free off her ult allowing her to just blast you at close range with it.

Landing her burst combinations is actually quite easy, since she has everything she needs to set it up baked into her kit

Packun Flower1 votes

This is true. However there are somethings to keep in mind about this burst combo.

Both Paddle Star and Bubble can be blocked by minions and other champions. This means you have to catch squushies who are out of position in a team figjt or in lane, catch a victim in the jungle or approach the combo from a new angle. All of the above is the type of play and planning you would find assassin players doing.

So its not really about landing the combo i5s about HOW you land it i find.

DragoniteDD1 votes

I dont think she's heavily rely on autos though, her w and q can proc her passive so that might be main way to apply that dmg. Think about oriana/lux (especially lux), almost no ori/lux gets lich bane. But her ult allow her to auto much more safely and procs lich bane. I would say lich bane will be a good item for her in many cases but not as necessary as lich bane for fizz/kassadin, or even tf/viktor.

KoKoboto2 votes

I doubt it. Like other mages she still needs gold in order to be relevant and levels in order to get more out of her ONE form of CC. Aside from her sleep she has nothing else and her sleep alone is not reliable as CC because the enemy can wake up instantly most of the time. Yes she has good base damage on the ability but why put her potential as a support when she can easily and more effectively carry from a carry position.

Bluezy2 votes

I posted similar thread yesterday. After watching zoe pbe on twitch and youtube all day she is basically camille on release. The people i watched played her anywhere any role and all won every Damn game. Link to my post to read opinions. I just imagine hwr with a thresh or morgana sup.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/l3gxOIwR-zoe-intended-to-be-bot-with-support?comment=00030000

Sightless662 votes

I strongly doubt it. The poke is much weaker without a level / ap advantage, her only CC is single target and delayed (not something you want to have to rely on if you're behind), and the very selfish ult makes for a lack of playmaking power if she doesn't have the raw damage to back it up. It reminds me of Nidalee support, with most of the same problems (excepting only that she does have a cc).

Cloud2732 votes

I think the jungle is where she's best. She'll have to roam around if she wants to get those spells and item actives.

CM Calgar1 votes

I think she will flash 3 times, pick up a zhonya's, heal her team, barrier, self, and ignite all 5 champs on the other team, all while she still has he own flash to get away. jk I know nothing about this champ.

LexLutheran871 votes

Honestly going to give it a go. Because watching some pbe YouTube videos of her, the the paddle star looks like it has a pretty decent base damage thanks to the range mechanic and is even easier then velkoz to weave into your enemy, plus you have the damage amplified auto to follow up. Only problem is if she wants to spam her W (which she must to get the most out of her kit) it means she will be taking CS away from the ADC. But I really want to make her work. She has crazy pick potential bot lane with squishies and jungle ganks.

I see her receiving nerfs though because the power lvl she has right now is insane, especially with the E damage ramp into max range paddle star.

Tèrminus1 votes

The list of items Zoe can steal actives from:

BotRK (but not Bilgewater Cutlass for who knows what reason) Frost Queen's Claim Hextech items Locket Randuin's Redemption Talisman of Ascension Youmuu's Zhonya's / Wooglet's

So she can't steal Sightstone charges.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Thats good at least, but still that poke damage is real.

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