Petition to make every champion available in ARAM

FalconPawwwwnch··199 votes·6,453 views

Sick and tired of these dedicated ARAM accounts completely making the mode unplayable because they get the best champs every game, since those are the only champions they buy. I didn't think it was this bad until I realized that maybe 10% of my friends list even plays ARAMs anymore, and almost all of them say this is the reason.

"You're totally exaggerating the number of people that do this"

Am I? Is that why 9/10 top popular champs in ARAM this month are ranged, and the other one is Blitzcrank? Sure is random if the most popular champions in a randomized mode tend to be the better champions in the mode.

Cmon Riot, it's about time

130 Comments

41noob40 votes

it's logical so riot won't do it.

Yulen Xoshxius4 votes

Surprisingly more helpful than some of the other comments... Even if I disagree.

ModCaptainMårvelous10 votes

For those who don't think this a problem:

Let's take a look at an average ARAM account that has a majority of strong ARAM champions unlocked:

Anivia Blitzcrank Caitlyn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Janna Jayce Jinx Karma Katarina KogMaw Lux Malzahar Morgana Nami Nidalee Sivir Sona Soraka Syndra Thresh Teemo Tristana TwistedFate Varus Xerath Ziggs Zyra

Now we can argue champion strength later. Let's just focus on the idea of an account with ONLY these champions unlocked. 28/120-ish champions. About 1/6th of the cast.

Take into account a free week. Keep in mind, a worst-case-scenario free week would have NONE of the champions this person owns at 10. So 38 champions total, 10 of which are 'weak' on aram.

Even at a worst case scenario free week, this player has a 73% chance of drawing a strong ARAM champion.

That's obscenely stacked and we're not even considering a week where repeat champions are owned. This is not random, this is rigged. And I've even TOLD Rioters before that people would make ARAM accounts and do this. That person's response (as well as most I've received) is "Nobody is gonna take the time to do this." Heads up fellas, they are.

The number one retaliation I'm told is "Well they have to wait a long time for rerolls then!". Which is pointless and a triviality. If you play a strong champ 9/10 games and have a 70%+ chance to draw a strong one, you won't need that reroll you saved up for a god long time.

Seriously Riot, just unlock everyone already. I'm tired of seeing Lux/Ziggs/Nidalee/Jayce in every single ARAM game I play.

PS: Here's a bonus picture I took of someone with an ARAM account a long time ago. Boy oh boy, look at those strong ARAM champions played in the span of ten games. http://i.imgur.com/v43KJHI.jpg

Space Bum5 votes

Believe it or not me and my ARAM friends all have large champion pools and can get similar results because we get rerolls fast and donate rolls to each other. I've done things like, play sona 3 games in a row because of this.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

That's if someone is your friend. Reroll trading becomes super uncommon if you're playing with randoms.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

So does teamwork, courtesy, intelligence, conducive attitudes... rolling with randoms in ARAM is taking an even bigger risk than ARAM itself. I'm not trying to defend ARAM accounts, but anywhere you go on League, randoms are... like, the problem anywhere.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

Not the point I'm trying to make.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Randoms are a problem of their own, so it's not usually a good idea to factor them in. It's no better to say 'just bring friends' since that's sort of dodging the issue, but so is including randoms all the same. Besides, it's not so bad if you're polite-- even less so if you're just plain quiet. On that note, those points sort of cancel themselves out so...

As a rebuttal to your original point, you'll always face a stacked comp somewhere along the line. We can't prevent this in any way, shape or form without removing the random aspect of ARAM, which ruins the whole point.

No matter how we change ARAM, we're really not fixing any particular problem; we're more satisfying a human want for control over the circumstances. Given the number of players queued for ARAM at any given time, I'd say implementing a smurfproofing system would probably have a very nominal effect on the numbers, though I'll only speculate that without actual stats.

I would much rather have a reroll every second or third game than a handful of 'good' champs. All the selection in the world doesn't mean anything in ARAM if you're accumulating a roll every tenth game or so. Nothing will save an all AP team from demise against a team with remote balance.

I think there's enough champs that are solid contenders for ARAM to make this a non-issue. The likelihood of being comp screwed is unlikely to change, just the mindset that you can't smurf-- but ARAM is just as much a matter of being able to use the champs in the right ways, too. There's more to the game than poking.

I think this is probably a problem that seems more dramatic in its moments. Realistically speaking, there are so few champs that are honestly 'bad' at ARAM and even then, virtually anyone is a viable choice in the right hands.

As a counter-stance, and to bring a little more perspective to this issue, do you possibly have a list of champions you'd consider not to be favorable ARAM picks, going by what criteria you built your initial list of choice picks on?

The way I see it, the core of the issue is that smurfs can obviously limit their choices enough by avoiding 'poor' contenders, but there are a lot of excellent choices for ARAM; Ezreal and Morgana are good, for sure, but so are Leona, Xin Zhao, Lee Sin, Galio, Garen, Malphite, Olaf, Karthus, Gangplank, Miss Fortune... to say nothing of champions with strong synergies (Braum/Yasuo, Fidd/J4, Galio/Ori) turning normally viable contenders into unstoppable engines of mass destruction. I would be surprised if more than 30 champs could rank so poorly that they would honestly be a discredit to the team objectively; as long as they're not that, the very extreme cases are the truly irreparable ones, and those will never get removed. That aside, a player's individual skill can go a long way in making (or breaking) virtually any champion.

EDIT: If we did have to select a solution, mine would be to reward non-smurf play-- extra rerolls would pretty much totally leaven the gap, realistically, no matter how it was handled. As little as one extra would make worlds of difference.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

Yes, there's always the chance of facing a stacked comp. Even when everyone owns every champion, you can always face a Ziggs/Nidalee/Lux/Jayce team. However, that's a thing about ARAMs. What's -not- fair is facing a stacked comp every game/every other game. That completely sucks the fun out of the random aspect. I never feel "Man they got lucky and got a really good team!", I feel 'Oh ok they have stacked accounts". The problem isn't facing a stacked comp, it's how often you face these stacked comps because people want to cheat the system.

A smurfproof system wouldn't really be the case however. Imagine if ARAM now only allows 25+ level accounts. Suddenly a ton of people who queue for fun but aren't 25+ are shut out to limit the smurfs. Not fair to them. More so, this doesn't solve the issue of 25+ smurf accounts, which there are a good amount of. Building on that even further, what determines a smurf account? Level? Champions unlocked? Skill level? In ARAM it's difficult to tell.

The second issue you bring up (Making everyone competitive on ARAM) kind of already happened. While every champion is good on ARAM, the general strat is that poke and harass wins early but sheer tanky power wins late game. Garen's a great pick even though nobody wants to play him because his regeneration is through the roof, meaning he can stay alive better than anyone. However, people don't want to play Garen and wait 20 minutes to hopefully get to that stage. They'd rather play Ezreal now and poke to their hearts content.

"But I don't want to-" That's great that you're better off with rerolls but we're not talking about outliers here, we're talking about the majority that are causing this problem. And unfortunately the majority would rather have strong champions than to have a bunch of rerolls to hopefully get strong champions. Hell, using your own argument about control I can point out that having a small pool of champions you own affords more control than having a bunch of rerolls because of the chances of drawing a stronger champ you enjoy.

As I brought up in my original post, the champion ARAM strength is subjective. Everyone is good but there are several high poke/strong tank & poke champions in an ARAM that rise to the top. These are the ones I'm picking but who it is doesn't matter. My point, at it's core, is that people are stacking the deck and being able to skew the odds with stronger picks compared to picks that are good but not as good. Again, yes, we can argue relative strength but we're going off majority opinion and champions who are clearly great on ARAM (Nidalee for example).

So basically the entire argument you made danced around the point I made about skewed ARAM accounts. The problem isn't champion strength, the chance of stacked accounts even with all champions unlocked, etc. The problem is that this is a real, substantial issue that is currently happening right now. Above all, with a solution as simple as unlocking everyone for ARAM mode, I cannot see why they would refuse to do this.

PS: Riot already said 2 is the maximum reroll they'd ever do because anymore and you can basically chug rerolls, which they want to avoid. They want you to be able to reroll as an emergency, not as a free privilege. So we circle back to the original solution proposed: Unlocking everyone.

Space Bum2 votes

I guess I'm one of those odd people. I have a decent knowledge of every champ and it's rare that I turn down trading with someone.

If someone wants to trade with you it means one of 2 things. 1) They want the OMFG OP ARAM champ or 2) they are unskilled with the champ they rolled. I normally assume it is number 2 and take the trade and either keep or use one of my rolls. At the end of the day every game Mode is about winning. Helping other people on your team to get champs they are good with defiantly helps win games.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

Again, that's nice, but that's not the issue being brought up here.

Space Bum1 votes

To your reply it is....

7ha7guy7771 votes

i find it interesting that i own 28 champions yet a group of 4 or 5 of them are much more "random" than the other champions or free week champions. i'm also surprised that Vel'Koz isn't on the list

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

Maybe it could be the RNG algorithm they use. Also, it's not about the champions, it's just about an example I used. Realistically there are probably 10-ish more champions people consider strong on ARAMs but for the sake of the example I used 28.

ShardWintreswolf10 votes

I agree with this, besides, what's the point of calling it ARAM (All random, All mid) if it's limiting the randomness? Not to mention it'd give people a chance to get a feel for any champion, but it limits that experience to something of a preview so free weeks are still better for really getting to know the ins and outs of a champion if you take an interest in them. Plus it would remove a layer of toxicity: "why do you suck with X champion, you own them!?" And it would promote asking teammates for advice, good mechanics, and, decision making if you really have no idea how to play the champ and it really is your first time.

TL;DR: It's not really random if you know what you could be getting, and having all champs open gives ppl a better introduction to any champ for a first time than simply waiting for free weeks or buying champs because you think they're cool or in the meta

LankPants6 votes

Am I? Is that why 9/10 top popular champs in ARAM this month are ranged, and the other one is Blitzcrank? Sure is random if the most popular champions in a randomized mode tend to be the better champions in the mode.

To be fair these champs would still be the most popular because they would get held when they were rolled and champs like Darius would just get rolled out.

Overall though still something that needs to be done.

Knight Devout2 votes

that wouldn't justify something like a week where Lux had 20% pickrate in Aram. 20%. It should be less than 1%. Factoring rerolls and the fact that Lux is usually held, let's say that value increases, but it can't increase of 2400% naturally

kunkudunk4 votes

it would sit around 8% not 1% since popularity/pick rate is calculated based on number of times they are picked per game not number of times they are picked per player per game. each of the ten players have a chance for lux. Not the point of the thread but still important.

Knight Devout1 votes

20% is still 2,5 times bigger. Hard to get through any legit means.

kunkudunk1 votes

Yes, but still not as huge of a difference.

Knight Devout1 votes

2,5 is a huge difference.

kunkudunk1 votes

not as big as a 1:20 comparison. Yes lux shouldn't happen that much, but with rerolls and dodging and such I would still expect lux in like 10% of games anyway even if the aram accounts didnt exist.

Knight Devout1 votes

Then you do admit that ARAM accounts exist.

kunkudunk1 votes

Oh of coarse, people will always exploit what they can.

Sukishoo4 votes

wah. go buy champs.

/end

Rock MD32 votes

{quoted}

wah. go buy champs.

/end

?

The point is that he's punished in ARAM BECAUSE he decided to buy all the champions.

Sukishoo5 votes

lol. I own all the champs and don't feel punished.

Rock MD15 votes

{quoted}

lol. I own all the champs and don't feel punished.

Try saying that when you roll Udyr and you get "outplayed" by the ARAM smurf team with Lux, Nidalee, Ezreal, Xerath, and Amumu.

Sukishoo8 votes

Win some, you lose some. ARAM. It's in the name.

Rock MD25 votes

{quoted}

Win some, you lose some. ARAM. It's in the name.

And yet these people win most and lose very little.

They throw randomness out the fucking window by having a majority of their picks being incredibly strong.

Sukishoo4 votes

How do you know they do? How do you know for a fact those are the only champs they have? You don't.

JevelFaithful20 votes

{quoted}

How do you know they do? How do you know for a fact those are the only champs they have? You don't.

He doesn't need to know about any single account. We've seen people theorycraft it and say it works, we've seen people on stream with such accounts, we've seen people openly admit they used (tested or to play) those account on the forum, see some people have mostly/only aram on their match history and 90% percent of those matches were with a select few champions and 10% weekly champions.

Wait actually we do or we can have very strong signs that they do.

Knight Devout6 votes

is your name a bastion reference? Anyway, what you said, really, there is no point in denying that people roll ARAM accounts.

JevelFaithful2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Knight Devout,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TFpMeQyh,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-05T16:46:56.383+0000)

is your name a bastion reference? Anyway, what you said, really, there is no point in denying that people roll ARAM accounts.

Yeah! You're actually the first one I see who gets it. That'd deserve a high-five in real life.

Knight Devout2 votes

Hard to miss when Faith of Jevel is high in your music playlist ;)

JevelFaithful1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Knight Devout,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TFpMeQyh,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-07T08:34:05.018+0000)

Hard to miss when Faith of Jevel is high in your music playlist ;)

Kaboum! That song is pretty damn good. I actually chose that name when I was playing a lot of alistar. So it went close to being pyth related.

HateDaddy13 votes

{quoted}

wah. go buy champs.

/end

I have every champ and I agree with the OP

And I sense that you're one of these ARAM only account abusers.

Probably bronze in SR so you try super hard in ARAM to show the world you're a god

Sukishoo1 votes

LOL. Actually I hate ARAM, rarely ever play it, and if you open your eyes you can see I'm GOLD.

Yulen Xoshxius16 votes

If you hate ARAM: Why are you even here on this topic about ARAM?

Sukishoo2 votes

Can be where I want.. It's a public forum. Felt like looking at the thread.

Yulen Xoshxius9 votes

Fair enough, but I meant what part about it interested you enough to bother reading it and try to argue with the people here? Why do you care about if ARAM champion pull is larger or the same?

DSRM Mobius5 votes

well if you would open your eyes you would see that the publisher of this thread is diamond :/

Sukishoo1 votes

Yeah I noticed, cause it's very easy to place the cursor over the player and see if they have a badge... or in their case you can see the icon. Unlike them, who just instantly assumes something.

DSRM Mobius8 votes

just because your gold doesn't mean your a good player :/

Sukishoo1 votes

yawn.

ShadowParker6 votes

You know, the thing about you is.

You have terrible comebacks.

Sukishoo1 votes

You're just a sad sad person. Try growing up a little.

ShadowParker6 votes

It's not that I'm a "sad sad person", It's more or less you're making dumb remarks on a thread, and instead of backing up what you're saying, you say stuff like: "lol. I own all the champs and don't feel punished." "Win some, you lose some. ARAM. It's in the name."

Than, after making these bad remarks you end up saying "LOL. Actually I hate ARAM, rarely ever play it, and if you open your eyes you can see I'm GOLD."

How does this help? It'd be one thing if you actually gave good reasons, but you're just disagreeing with no logical backing behind it.

And I have absolutely no idea how this has anything to do with growing up, but alright.

Randomonium4 votes

I strongly endorse this idea. The whole point of ARAM is maximum chaos. The game mode is less fun when people smurf it to get champs that are better suited to ARAM. However, I think that if you open up all champs in ARAM you should also grant more re-rolls to people so if they get a champ they really hate and don't own they can reroll (i.e. do something like double the reroll points you get per game and allow you to store up to 5 rerolls but only use a maximum of 2 per game.)

ValorOfArms3 votes

Things to even it out Make it instead of just well how it's done there is few changes to even it out

-re-rolls max increase by +1 for each 25 champions you own and you always have a minimal 1 re-roll for every game capping at 5 re-rolls. (This method assures you #1 have a reason to save up for the pool and #2 given chance to get a better choice fill)

-Role based ARAM where each person it randomly assigned a role (Markmen-Fighter-Tank-Mage-Assassin-Support) then a champion that fits to the role type cast. and at least 1 of these archtypes must exist within the mode to fair even so you don't get stuck with a full Me-lee team. (This method literally just makes it less random and more expecting...it be closer to All Random Archtype All Mid ARAAM)

-You must have at least 10 champions owned and all free weeks are locked out. also allow trades with people that do not own your champions (visa and versa) but you cannot received the champion you traded for anymore.

(this opens up allot of trades, and undoes trade hunting allot smartly trading champ for champ. granting also people to try new champions to enjoy cause some ARAMers want to randomly try something new like a unpredictable team fight practice) and finally the champion limit and unallowing of the weekly ones permits a more understanding pool. along with shrinking the pool choice of troll down for more ARAMed up accounts.

Changes to the re-roll system should be made IMHO so you can more freely burn them, as I sit on 2 allot cause I can comfortably play nearly any champion myself on ARAMs and easily build up 2 re-rolls by having such a huge champion pool.

there is indeed ARAM accounts built solely for ARAM usesage

also can we replace sanguin blade with bloodthirster...you allow essence reaver, but why do you have sanguin blade at all? it's really not that great and useful as essence reaver in as a whole of an item on that game mode

also be cool...to have a trinket other than a poro snack ^^;

mostly thing #1 re-roll system be best option as it still remains ARAMs just evening out the bigger champion pooled people also keeping a min 1 re-roll per person still is, highly random as you then take a risk non the less.

More from Gameplay

More by FalconPawwwwnch