Did you know Gangplank's Powder Kegs slow for 80% (for two seconds) at max rank?

HateDaddy·Apr 6, 2017·5 votes·890 views

That's actually fucking insane. I always felt like getting hit by GP barrels ddos'd my movement speed, now it's confirmed. I don't think GP is a problem either, he's totally fine at the moment. And clicking his barrels are always an option so it's not as if you can't play around that. But 80%? Jesus Christ that still might be too much. Next time he actually becomes a problem, maybe that's something that could be adjusted. God damn pirates plundering our movement speed.

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Big LincolnApr 6, 20173 votes

And clicking his barrels are always an option

how am I going to do that when they tick down every half a second

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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how am I going to do that when they tick down every half a second

Depends on the comps man

If GP has a massive front line, generally the GP player doesn't need to be good at barrel chaining. The enemy team will be disabled/slowed and setup for him to just connect the dots. If the GP doesn't have a front line, then pray your ADC or any ranged champions on your team are smart enough to click on his barrels. If the GP is a god at chaining 3 barrels and timing their drops perfectly, ur gonna cry

Big LincolnApr 6, 20172 votes

i already cry from rage cos i have to work harder than he does all game

have to chase his bitch ass out of lane and make him oom on oranges so he'll actually leave, then he'll TP back, do it again, lose the advantage anyway because of muh parley gold and muh global kills

once he gets a item 3044 it's not even worth trying to fight him between phage, his passive and his E movement buffs + the E slow

such an annoying champion, i hate having to deal with him

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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i already cry from rage cos i have to work harder than he does all game

have to chase his bitch ass out of lane and make him oom on oranges so he'll actually leave, then he'll TP back, do it again, lose the advantage anyway because of muh parley gold and muh global kills

once he gets a it's not even worth trying to fight him between phage, his passive and his E movement buffs + the E slow

such an annoying champion, i hate having to deal with him

Depends on who you play. As nasus, it's an easy lane to farm in but he scales harder unless the game gets to a point where I just two shot squishies. As Jax, it's annoying as shit early/until I pick up tabis but then GP is free gold. Playing immobile melee a vs him sucks, that's for sure. I think Darius can do well vs him from what I've seen, but even then the burden is always on the Darius to make interactions happen.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

The GP player is still gonna need to be capable of atleast doing a triple barrel combo, I'd say it's the timing on kegs that becomes more forgiving because it's hard to contest a Keg when he places it behind a huge frontline :P

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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The GP player is still gonna need to be capable of atleast doing a triple barrel combo, I'd say it's the timing on kegs that becomes more forgiving because it's hard to contest a Keg when he places it behind a huge frontline :P

yeah but doing that without the stress or fear of it being taken out as easily is actually a pretty nice feeling. I played quite a bit of GP last season and it wasn't hard to time the triple barrel combo consistently with no fear for enemies taking one out. But it sure was tricky doing it when I didn't have setup.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

Yeah, that's true I guess.

I barely even think while Triple Barreling anymore, it's just such a standard combo :p

GULAG 4 UApr 6, 20171 votes

Play teemo top xddd

Akali is SO HOTApr 6, 20172 votes

His barrel damage is still pretty bonkers so I would assume those would get hit too and/or another mana cost nerf

AhristocatsApr 6, 20172 votes

nerfing the utility of a melee carry is not the way to balance a champion especially unreliable utility

-gH

HateDaddyApr 6, 20172 votes

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nerfing the utility of a melee carry is not the way to balance a champion especially unreliable utility

-gH

I hardly consider GP a melee carry at this point. He practically plays like a ranged champion now. Obviously that's a bit of an oversimplification because he still has some melee drawbacks but he's otherwise more akin to AD mage than a melee carry imo. How's he tagged? I'm assuming he's still tagged as a fighter.

AhristocatsApr 6, 20172 votes

You're wrong

He's melee as he needs to go into melee range to make use of his 500 true damage in late game that is refreshed with barrels only bad GP won't do it

as why he has range, it's because he has no other form of mobility and defense except his oranges that remove CC at the cost of a huge cast time

HateDaddyApr 6, 20172 votes

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You're wrong

He's melee as he needs to go into melee range to make use of his 500 true damage in late game that is refreshed with barrels only bad GP won't do it

as why he has range, it's because he has no other form of mobility and defense except his oranges that remove CC at the cost of a huge cast time

His ult is a pretty big zoning tool, I wouldn't say he lacks a form of defense. Additionally, the burden is almost always on the enemy of GP to jump on him since he can play back with barrels because of their range. This does give him a ranged feel, though he still has to go into melee range to make the most optimal usage of his kit, no denying that. That's why I pointed out he still has some melee drawbacks. They're simply not that detrimental compared to other immobile melee.

AhristocatsApr 6, 20171 votes

wow

you're stating his range as a problem and decide to nerf his slow

/s?

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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wow

you're stating his range as a problem and decide to nerf his slow

/s?

Uhm, yes? Clearly you see that as a bad thing. I'm hoping you plan on elaborating on an actual counterpoint as opposed to making stupid sarcastic comments.

AhristocatsApr 6, 20171 votes

if GP is a problem because he doesn't go in melee range for his passive than you should either nerf his range, or nerf his ranged damage+ maybe buff his passive damage

the idea of nerfing his slow is still stupid

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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No

if GP is a problem because he doesn't go in melee range for his passive than you should either nerf his range, or nerf his ranged damage+ maybe buff his passive damage

the idea of nerfing his slow is still stupid

Then say that from the start, don't make some dimwit half-assed attempt at sarcasm that just makes your point unclear.

They've nerfed his passive/barrel damage a ton. And typically riots balance approach has been more aimed at enhancing weaknesses rather than attacking strengths. That would certainly align with that type of thinking.

Dominick DestineApr 6, 20172 votes

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He's melee as he needs to go into melee range

u wot m8?

GP can play entirely without entering melee range.

AhristocatsApr 6, 20171 votes

he can, but it's better if he goes into melee for his passive

i guess riot should nerf his barrels+Q and buff his passive

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

Yes, Fighter.

In Riot's subclass list, he's classified as a Hybrid between a Battlemage (Vlad, Karthus etc.) and a Skirmisher (Yasuo, Fedora etc.)

I personally try to proc Trial By Fire whenever I can get away with it, but I know there are a lot of GP players out there Cough Tobias Fate wannabes Cough who play him like you would expect a Lux to be playing.

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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Yes, Fighter.

In Riot's subclass list, he's classified as a Hybrid between a Battlemage (Vlad, Karthus etc.) and a Skirmisher (Yasuo, Fedora etc.)

I personally try to proc Trial By Fire whenever I can get away with it, but I know there are a lot of GP players out there Cough Tobias Fate wannabes Cough who play him like you would expect a Lux to be playing.

It's certainly easy to play him that way in lane but to make the most of his kit, you do have to man the fuck up some. That's why good GP players terrify me. Bad ones are usually easy to capitalize on outside of lane phase.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

If my GP play is anything, it's manly. And slightly suicidal. :^)

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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If my GP play is anything, it's manly. And slightly suicidal. :^)

Apparently there's a bruiser GP build out there with titanic hydra and shit. Completely toxin.

On a side note, whenever I see anyone starting D-ring on GP I just cringe cuz I'm like "oh this god damn Tobias Fate wannabe."

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

Yeah I've been using the Korean bruiser build a good amount, enjoyed it a lot. But I feel like I ruined my own muscle memory by spamming it too much, because I kinda just started feeding. So now I'm spamming some TLD GP with just TF > GB > IE. Then I want to just play whatever build I feel like is best for the situation, because I can adapt :P

I'll still go Dorans Ring occasionally, but it's a very, very situational buy. I really prefer the Mana crystal or even Corrupting pot start.

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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Yeah I've been using the Korean bruiser build a good amount, enjoyed it a lot. But I feel like I ruined my own muscle memory by spamming it too much, because I kinda just started feeding. So now I'm spamming some TLD GP with just TF > GB > IE. Then I want to just play whatever build I feel like is best for the situation, because I can adapt :P

I'll still go Dorans Ring occasionally, but it's a very, very situational buy. I really prefer the Mana crystal or even Corrupting pot start.

Yeah when I played him, I much preferred mana crystal or corrupting for early sheen or cost effective sustain. D-Ring just feels so bad. It's like conceding you're going to get shit on and if that's the case, go mana crystal for flat mana increase then back and get sheen + corrupting.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

I only like it when I know I'm gonna be eating a ton of poke all lane, but won't get to interact with my laner. In that scenario, having Dorans Ring + Corrupting Potion + Cull or Another Dorans Ring is pretty nice.

Also, you should give the Korean GP build a shot, it's a ton of fun. The bread and butter version of it seems to be item 3078 item 3142 item 3748 item 3053 item 3033 item 1001 , not specifically in that order. Ofcourse adapt to your situation if you do decide to give it a shot :P Also, here's the guy who came up with that build. https://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EB%A7%8C%EA%B8%B0%ED%87%B4%EC%86%8C%EB%A7%88%EC%8B%9C%EC%95%84

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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I only like it when I know I'm gonna be eating a ton of poke all lane, but won't get to interact with my laner. In that scenario, having Dorans Ring + Corrupting Potion + Cull or Another Dorans Ring is pretty nice.

Also, you should give the Korean GP build a shot, it's a ton of fun. The bread and butter version of it seems to be , not specifically in that order. Ofcourse adapt to your situation if you do decide to give it a shot :P Also, here's the guy who came up with that build. https://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EB%A7%8C%EA%B8%B0%ED%87%B4%EC%86%8C%EB%A7%88%EC%8B%9C%EC%95%84

Complete aids, I absolutely love it

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

...

Yeah that about sums it up :^)

Dominick DestineApr 6, 20172 votes

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(Yasuo, Fedora etc.)

Fedora is my favorite champ.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

If he ever becomes a problem again, which he might because he gets a lot of value out of items, I'd rather see Riot hit the ~~elephant~~ Kraken in the room first: His plunder passive.

But yeah, it's an obnoxiously strong slow, HOWEVER, his slows are the only utility he has (untill item 3903 ), and I feel like they are a very big part of his survivability.

HateDaddyApr 6, 20172 votes

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If he ever becomes a problem again, which he might because he gets a lot of value out of items, I'd rather see Riot hit the ~~elephant~~ Kraken in the room first: His plunder passive.

But yeah, it's an obnoxiously strong slow, HOWEVER, his slows are the only utility he has (untill ), and I feel like they are a very big part of his survivability.

I'm with you dude but 80%? I mean damn dude, like 60% is way more reasonable. Remember he gets bonus MS for detonating barrels. Plus, I don't think riot will remove his plunder passive because people will scream "muh champion identity" even though it's unhealthy as fuck.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20172 votes

Fuck ''champion Identity''. The Plunder Passive is so fucking unhealthy, especially on a kit like his.

Sometimes, Riot should prioritize Balance over Thematic, like they did when they removed the bleed from Draven's axes.

And yes, it's a very strong slow. But again, I'd much rather see them get rid of Plunder. If not, it's likely a decent spot to hit him, when he does end up needing a nerf :P

HateDaddyApr 6, 20171 votes

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Fuck ''champion Identity''. The Plunder Passive is so fucking unhealthy, especially on a kit like his.

Sometimes, Riot should prioritize Balance over Thematic, like they did when they removed the bleed from Draven's axes.

And yes, it's a very strong slow. But again, I'd much rather see them get rid of Plunder. If not, it's likely a decent spot to hit him, when he does end up needing a nerf :P

I would gladly take a plunder removal over barrel slow nerfs if he ever became too strong again. I just don't think it'll happen.

Sahn UzalApr 6, 20171 votes

Let me hope man, let me hope :(

Dominick DestineApr 6, 20171 votes

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like they did when they removed the bleed from Draven's axes.

RIP in peace, blood brothers.