Sion just hit over 10% pick rate with 56% win rate

Rexxiee·Feb 20, 2018·54 votes·4,023 views

So when is he getting hotfixed?

Singed was hotfixed for less.

82 Comments

MrPhamtomFeb 20, 201812 votes

The new runes just work well for him and improve his laning

Otherwise there isn't anything OP about him.

He doesn't do that much damage unless you're bad and stand in his Q

He provides good utility and CC in teamfight

Camille is more cancer and you're whining about Sion who can be countered with a brain?

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 21, 20183 votes

Tell me how you counter E comet spam sion. All these dia+ players are obviously not as good as you are so please teach us.

Spank the FoxFeb 21, 20183 votes

Just don’t be in lane hehe xd

I mean, either be forced back or zoned by his E spam or just don’t bother laning at all.

DisembarkFeb 21, 20182 votes

Also if you’re immobile him hitting E guauntees he hits Q.

jadelinkFeb 21, 20181 votes

My personal answer, is pick Garen. Just cleanse the E when it hits, and he never gets a comet proc. I agree, he's a bit OP at the moment and could probably use a nerf (maybe comet too, for reasons not unconnected with Camille and MF). I've never lost lane to a Sion as Garen. The stats show it working from bronze to diamond too.

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 21, 20183 votes

Seems like Euw Sions are smarter than u and use their E before Q.

he dosn't do that much damage

lmao, nice joke

Camille is more cancer and you're whining about Sion who can be countered with a brain?

Definitly not

Lord of bearFeb 21, 20181 votes

Just intrested with thing about camille is that Bad as a New camille main i want to know ;)

PrimaquariusFeb 20, 20187 votes

Wake me when he hits 12%

Diamond2KappaFeb 20, 201833 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/65aa346dcdd4e1af971925c9dc3829ed.png heh

PalPlaysFeb 20, 20187 votes

What is the abuse-case here that is making him this strong?

no to toxicFeb 20, 20184 votes

Meteor and and him being the only tank wich can shit on Gnar in lane. But the second one is just a guess.

PalPlaysFeb 20, 20182 votes

I doubt the second one simply because counterpick characters tend to have high winrates alongside a lower-than-average pickrate. Is there something that changed RECENTLY to give him this edge?

jadelinkFeb 21, 20181 votes

His winrate went up with the metor buff/aery nerf patch. It took a while for him to become popular though, stayed low key for a while.

TreeDayBanFeb 20, 201825 votes

Comet/Scorch/Manaflow Band. The Sorcery Tree.This adds so much to his laning. It basicaly doubles the amount of damage you used to do on E. He's just took awhile to catch on. He had some bug fixes, but I dont think those are the main things pushing him over the edge; its the sorcery tree.

He can sit and spam E's all day long with Manaflow Band, and they are doing 2x the amount of damage they used to do because of Comet/Scorch. Which makes it really easy for him to passively just win the lane, and he can easily just follow up the E spam with Q's, and ults after 6.

But 90% of it is the Sorcery Tree. They basically double his damage on E, and completely get rid of one of his major early game weaknesses which was his mana pool. You can sit and spam E's for days with Manaflow band and a corrupting pot start. Before, you would do half the dmg and run out of mana.

Z3SleeperFeb 21, 20186 votes

Basically re-enables the thing he got nerfed for.

SpoofghoulFeb 21, 20181 votes

Exactly this is why his E got nerfed

Now we can either change the runes or Sion

I don't think he needs a nerf but rather some smaller changes which redistribute power away from E poke

nelogisFeb 21, 20183 votes

If you change Sion because of that (nerfing E) then the only viable rune setup will be exactly that, Sorcery.

But changing Sorcery is also bad because of Sion since it affects so many champions.

They would have to add a mechanic so he prefers to go other runes other than spam E and poke people out so he actually keeps some rune diversity

Auz the RipperFeb 21, 20181 votes

I mean if you only nerf the damage of the E and add more utility in compensation, like have the resist shred apply to everything the minion hits or a higher slow, then the poke builds will be gimped and the other builds will be relatively unharmed.

nelogisFeb 21, 20181 votes

yes thats what Sion needs. A change to his E not just a straight up nerf to his E.

But I see it already coming:

"Sions poke is too strong so we are tuning it down a notch... oh wait you didn't want to use Sorcery? Too bad LUL!"

Sire HippingtonFeb 21, 20181 votes

well, he was a powerfull lanebully befor with decent pick and over 50% winrate aswell as a massive winrate in short games. The sorrcery tree amped his bullying potential especially for matchups that once were not that great for him. It's not 90% sorccery, it's to quite some extend his kit combined with the high overall snowball of the game so hi lane bully nature. Sorccery contirbutes to that but is not the sole reason, else champs like gragas who can spam his Q barrels with aditional commet damage if gióing sorc would also be broken, and he sucks right now.

Sions kit is and always was rather opressive for the sololane, while beeing relatively easy to deal with later on. He really could use some changes that shift some of his power from the laneingphase to laterstages in the game, though at the current state of the game that's quite difficult.

TreeDayBanFeb 22, 20181 votes

I've tried gragas and it makes him strong, too. Just he has more weaknesses. His damage isn't diverse: Sion has a lot of physical damage followup in his kit. Gragas is all magic. Get a cowl and you severly hurt him. Also, barrels are harder to consistently land. And, they cost 60 mana at rank one compared to 35 mana for Sion, which is one of the main issues. You will actually go OOM on Gragas; its almost impossible to go OOM on Sion.

Sion's kit is strong; but its really pushed over the top by Sorcery. I'm sure he will be nerfed and I would venture to guess it will be a mana increase on E. Maybe even a Range decrease. But 35 mana is literally nothing on a corrupting pot/Manaflow Band start.

RainbowIceeFeb 21, 20181 votes

This honestly sounds like the runes are fucking up the game again not the champion. It'd be kinda bad if they nerf sion because on his own without runes to abuse he's pretty chill and balanced.

TreeDayBanFeb 22, 20181 votes

I think E will end up getting a mana increase. Its awfully cheap. 35 mana. Just look at someone else like Gragas like another poster said. Rank 1 Barrel is 60 mana. Sion rank 1 E is 35 mana.

ProfDrDeathFeb 21, 20182 votes

There were a couple of bug-fixes in 8.3 that massively affected him.

Fixed a bug where the minion targeted by Sion's E - Roar of the Slayer was incorrectly not made invulnerable to minion attacks

Sion's Q - Decimating Smash now correctly refunds its cooldown to 2 seconds when Sion is crowd-controlled during its cast

Fixed a bug where Sion levelling W - Soul Furnace while in his Passive - Glory in Death caused issues with the amount of maximum health Sion gains from killing enemy units

The second one is probably the biggest there, since it means that Smash's downtime if you interrupt it in a laning situation is drastically reduced - the ability's base cooldown is 10-6 seconds without CdR, and reducing the downtime by 80-67% is massive.

ChawooraFeb 21, 20183 votes

I am not sure if this is the first bug fixed, but often you would E a minion and it would just fizzle out and do zero damage and not slow. It was really easy to get in a situation where you tried to setup an E + Q combo and instead you put yourself in a really bad situation. I have not played Sion in a while.

Feel ApathyFeb 21, 20182 votes

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What is the abuse-case here that is making him this strong?

You can't push him out of lane, he farms and farms and farms... eventually he becomes a brick that can't be killed by less than 4 people or vayne.

and his E does an insane amount of damage if he pushes a minion on you combined with comet and scorch it's the same as if you've traded into a jax that stunned you with counterstrike, only that he still has his other spells and is poking you from safe distance.

rework trundleFeb 21, 20184 votes

hE HaS CoUNTeRPlAy

Lil Homie bustaFeb 21, 20184 votes

Laning against him with a melee feels almost bad as laning vs teemo. He doesn't even need to charge his Q to stun-point, just the slow Q already deals a lot of damage with the runes and is almost instantaneous.

BestPudgeNAFeb 21, 20184 votes

OMG A NON JAYCE GP GNAR OR BRUISER TOP LANE. TANKS SHOULDN't EXIST IN TOP LANE REEEEEEEE

Tristanl0lFeb 21, 20184 votes

more like "omg theres one tank doing well in this meta of shitty unkillable poke offtanks RIOT NERF THIS I CANT INSTAWIN WHEN I PICK GANGPLANK ANYMORE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 21, 20184 votes

nice... non top mains dare to speak

Tristanl0lFeb 21, 20184 votes

id rather have Sion punching me for 10 seconds to kill me than a 3k life Gangplank 2 hitting me with 4 AD items

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 21, 20182 votes

10 sec ???? two things :

to begin the issue with theses two pick isn't late nor mid, but laning phase
sion don't need 10 sec to 100%-0. Feel free to look at his damages and ratio

Tristanl0lFeb 21, 20182 votes

you play literally nothing but wukong of course you'd cry about a tank

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 21, 20183 votes

its totaly irrevelant to my previous statement.

i hate more gp than sion

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20184 votes

don't bother my friend if you cross people telling you that a 56% win rate 15% pick rate (today's lolalytic stats) champ is balanced you should just walk away

jadelinkFeb 21, 20181 votes

..or getting a double kill bot without even having to leave lane.

oortoomeebreesuuFeb 21, 20184 votes

Knee jerk reactions? On my boards? It's more likely than you think.

Been a sion main for some time now, and let me tell you it's nice when your hero actually functions. Look, pros even consider picking him when his moves are reliable!

Yes, Sion has a good lane. The way you can build and rune for AD, yet level up his E, means he is technically scaling two damage skills at once, one magic and one physical which makes him difficult to itemize against. Back in old runes, I used to run reds/quints as hybrid pen.

Is Sion op? No. Not even close. Do not play Sion into really good carries like Riven, Fiora, Jax, or characters with high sustain. If you pick him to lane bully, unlike Jayce or Gnar, Sion doesn't have "defensive tools" like buffering a knock back or double hop. Sion is not the kind of character who "oh look, Fiora has lvl 11 early and two shot me" or "woops didnt stop him nasus has 600 stacks at 18 minutes" he just doesn't do these kinds of things. he just punishes bad players who don't really recognize, and since he's been out of the picture (re: nearly unusable due to bugs) people forget how overbearing he is when you let him do the thing.

NemeBroFeb 21, 20185 votes

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Is Sion op? No. Not even close.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Sion/Top/

You're frankly being delusional. Enjoy your main being freelo while it lasts. He's going to get his knees broken soon. Just watch.

Saitho OriharaFeb 21, 20184 votes

My boy Sion back at it again with the high winrate [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BlåbæretFeb 21, 20183 votes

Don't care.

Anything that can shit on ADCs is fine in my book.

Master NoctFeb 21, 20181 votes

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Don't care.

Anything that can shit on ADCs is fine in my book.

ADC's aren't even really the problem, lol.

BlåbæretFeb 21, 20182 votes

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ADC's aren't even really the problem, lol.

Yes, they are.

Oh Me So OrnnyFeb 21, 20183 votes

cause they are too busy nerfing my ornn @ a 47% WR

RhaiFeb 21, 20182 votes

Runes were a mistake

RiviniFeb 21, 20181 votes

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So when is he getting hotfixed?

Singed was hotfixed for less.

Malzahar was nerfed a dozen patches in a row right after his rework for less.

RootloFeb 21, 20181 votes

Sion isnt that broken. Play mobile champs that can dodge his entierly skillshot based kit and you will make Sion mains cry.

Literally, if someone Picks Sion, play Camille and you will win the lane so easy.

BârdFeb 21, 20184 votes

His kit is one of the best tank designs in the game, it's just that he's currently a little bit overtuned.

He usually has a high win rate, but a low play rate, meaning that it's mostly Sion mains playing him, but the bugfixes in this patch pushed him over the edge.

Simply removing the reset when Q is interrupted would be enough.