Lets be honest, Zilean can use a buff when he's at a 0.59% pick rate.

Rew711··12 votes·1,571 views

I don't expect him to be a champ you would ban, but I would like him to be playable. I think he is in need for a large kit change. Here's my thoughts:

Passive:

The 8% bonus EXP is stupid. The fact that it was brought down to a 1000 area effect made it into something we don't ever see. I say, we change the passive to what his W is, and here's what it will do:

After Zilean uses one of his abilities, he is able to use it again automatically but must use the same mana cost once again. He must also use it in the next 3.5 seconds or the passive will go on cool down. After using the passive, it will go on a 10/7/4 second cool down (at levels 1/7/13).

If you have any questions on the new passive, I can answer them bellow.

His Q (the Time Bomb):

It will stay the same (the cost, damage, everything...) except that the stun time will be at a steady 1.5 seconds for every level.

His new W (a heal, Time Heal):

Since we are trying to put Zilean's W as his new passive, he will need a new W. Here's what I thought up:

Zilean speeds up time for him or an ally to heal their wounds faster. Zilean can raise his or a allies health regen by 10/20/30/40/50% (+[5% AP]%) for 3 seconds. Cast Range: 900 Cost: 60/70/80/90/100 mana Cool Down: 16 seconds

This new ability will raise their health regen based on the allies max health. Even at max level, he will only be allowed to heal up to 30% of their health over 3 seconds. At level 1, you are only able to do up to 6% of their health over 3 seconds. This is not counting AP. If any questions or comments on this, please leave them bellow.

His E (Time Warp):

This is one I've always wished would be castable on both him and an ally, though the cost would be increased. It will go from 50 mana to 45/50/55/60/75 mana per use. If cast on Zilean, or if Zilean casts on an ally, he and the ally gain the bonus for 3 seconds; if cast on a enemy, the enemy is only slowed for 2.5 seconds.

That's the end of what I want to change. If you have any comments, improvements, or questions please leave them bellow. Thank you for reading this.

21 Comments

Xadious3 votes

I'm not really a supporter of the mentality to buff champs that are not picked enough. It creates a terrible "who is in style" type of meta that is already kinda present. I feel like Zil is very well balanced.

Sightless665 votes

I absolutely disagree. I mean, there's a difference between "not picked enough" and "literally the second least picked champion in the game with a below average winrate", which both weren't true before the rework he got. This isn't like we're talking about Vel'koz or Kog'maw or some other champion that still sees a bit of play. He's getting about as close to no play as a champion can get. This is not a "who is in style" change. This is a "who actually sucks and needs buffs" change.

He's weak, he's unsatisfying to play even for a ton of the players who used to like him, and he's got parts of his kit (the passive) that contribute almost nothing in terms of actual power or gameplay .He's not in a good state. In terms of both balance and design, he has major problems. Zilean changes should be a very high priority.

ElJanitorFrank2 votes

His W is way too weak here. 50% extra regen for 3 seconds? What is that, like 20 health?

Make it more timey-wimey themed. For instance, heal sclaing % health (that goes up with level) based on damage taken within the last X seconds.

Maybe it can be "health 75% of damage taken within the last X seconds" and have the number of seconds increase as time goes on, that could work as well.

Rew7111 votes

I actually got an idea about this before. But, I was rather wanting to regenerate out of a champs "full" health. This idea is fun, but it would also need a small 20/35/50/65/80 heal bonus + the 18/26/34/42/50% (+[5%]%) heal from damage from the last 3 seconds. It would be better but the heal over 3 seconds is close as it heals up to 30% (or more with AP) over 3 seconds, and a second cast can allow up to 60% of you health back (or more with AP). I was just trying to think outside of the box on this one. I also honestly don't know what else Zilean can be given to his W. His Q already deals incredible damage, and his E is now better than it ever was. I know people say that Zilean and a heal sound stupid but I just can't think of anything else, except a mana regen boost but still...

Blade of Justic2 votes

Yeah... how about we just buff him by reverting the rework and giving him a passive that actually does something.

Zilean = Fixed.

I don't like it when people talk about reworking Zilean into homogenized support standards.

He doesn't need a heal, he doesn't need a spell shield, and he DEFINITELY DOESN'T NEED HIS W REMOVED.

TheFirstGokun3 votes

Reverting the rework brings back asshole no counterplay midlane Zil, and nobody wants that. OP incorporated his W into his passive, actually a decent idea. It clears up his W for something else which might be interesting, though I agree the heal isn't too inspired.

Blade of Justic1 votes

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Reverting the rework brings back asshole no counterplay midlane Zil, and nobody wants that. OP incorporated his W into his passive, actually a decent idea. It clears up his W for something else which might be interesting, though I agree the heal isn't too inspired.

We could just leave his QWER alone and give him a new passive instead of thinking of how to fit him in LoL's current meta.

F@#$, you could give him a passive that makes him sing "Let's do the time warp again!" Every time he Ults and it would be more noticeable than the current one.

Every time someone talks about reworking Zilean, they either have the mid role (Most Common) or the support role (Least Common) in mind. And reworking in favor of one or the other destroys his duality.

MAN OF INTELLECT1 votes

Could we also increase the missile speed of the bombs on Zilean? I feel like they move as slow as Nautilus and the lock-on AOE for the bombs is as small as a Heimer grenade.

Also, observe the other "out-of-meta" champions:Veigar Yorick Udyr

No love/rework for them?

A Miss Fortune2 votes

I thought Yorick is getting a rework soon, and I see Udyr like 50% of my games.

agbudar1 votes

udyr is 'fine' veigar... well the very few times i see him he does well... yorick honestly is fine as he is... but is very outdated

Hat2 votes

Udyr is Op again since they made new devourer.

bad manner kid1 votes

Zileans QQ stun is clunkier than an oom Yorick.

I literally don't know how they made a mechanic that is not only hard to use, but genuinely not fun or rewarding to use.

He needs a REAL realwork, keep the "idea" of his champion, gut the current QWE and passive.

rG Thundrag1 votes

Increase his q attachment radius by 15-20 range while this might seem small keep it mind its a circle so it becomes quite a bit larger and its pick up radius is currently 100 so its a 15-20% increase

Nagma1 votes

zilean ; garbage tier ; balance team knows how to balance champion , ( before his rework he was fun and viable ) thats the past

Partholonian1 votes

I don't see how a buff would affect his pick rate, unless you think that he's also weak and that is why he isn't picked much. If his power level is balanced then it would be a bad idea to change that to OP just because it would make him more popular.

tooomine1 votes

He doesn't really need a buff unless he wants to be viable anywhere except support. Since Riot isn't about champion diversity, but rather about painting champs into very clearly enforced meta roles, I don't see why you're making this claim. he's already a very OP support.

Hat1 votes

His dmg isn;t the problem, lategame he can spam timebomb's every 3 seconds if he uses his W on cooldown. He is just suuuper squishy compared to the range, if you near a champion because you want to throw a bomb, then you can manage if you are quick, if you want to ast more then you are dead because every enemy has a gapcloser nowaday's

Celeste Benal1 votes

This is pretty much why we don't see Zilean more. He is squishy. As a support, being squishy often gets you killed. He also doesn't have a gap closer or easily used stun. His CC is a mechanically clunky stun that requires 3 skill activations with good accuracy, and a point and click slow. The upside to his stun is that it is AoE, and it does an ass-load of damage x2. It is also really good at securing kills.

IIRC, he was originally intended to be a mid-lane mage. His poke and harass is pretty solid. And his E makes him almost ungankable unless he is way over extended. But he has mana issues early. Rushing RotA is never wrong.

His passive is just garbage. It really needs to be replaced. Maybe a 5% CDR/AS/MS aura or something else that is actually useful. I wouldn't mind seeing a passive on his W either. That ability for the most part just sits there unused. Its begging for a passive.

What he has is tonnes of utility and top-tier movement potential. With enough levels in E, W, and/or CDR he can literally perma-speed himself around the map. Need to ward baron? No problemo. Be right back m8s.

Have you looked at Zilean's AP ratios? They're pretty insane. 200% AP health on Chronoshift (plus huge flat amounts) and 90% AP ratio on Timebomb.

Hat1 votes

I don't mind the way his stun works. Just his squishyness s*cks. And you don;t always got time to clikc ur ulti

Celeste Benal1 votes

Zilean is really fun to play and frustrating to play against, if the summoner knows how to use him effectively. He is a huge early game lane bully with his time bombs. Once he hits 6 he or an ally (ADC if supporting) can just #yolo dive anyone because ult says nope. Mid game he becomes an incredible pita because of his spammable AoE damage, stuns, and speed boosts/slows. Late game he can literally permaspeed himself across the map in seconds. His wave clear with Q is insane.

Try item 3151 on him. Watch how much damage hey take when he E/Qs someone. Feel free to double up on that and build item 3116 as well. Then you don't even have to E them to proc the double damage HP shred DoT. Both items give lots of HP as well.

If you need more defense, item 3157 and item 3174 are good. So is item 3027.

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