I wish Muramana would get the same treatment as Rageblade...

xxxMadLionxxx·Mar 27, 2018·26 votes·2,473 views

This item needs some attention from riot the same way rageblade did.

The only champ who uses this item is EZ. I don't get why riot continues to ignore the item. It was so broken on Kaisa Q that riot coded the ability as DOT instead for it not to proc Murumana.

It takes too long for to stack. The damage falls off compared to crit/lethality. Does less damage as mana drains. AD champs generally don't need mana anymore. No other AD/mana items to synergies muramana with. Early game suffer for a poor late game output.

There are many thing wrong with the item so why does riot ignore it?

At the very least it should appeal to more than 1 champ in the entire game.

37 Comments

This Is Your DadMar 27, 201821 votes

I buy it on ad kassadin. Played it one time back in 1987.

McsquzzyMar 27, 20187 votes

i did it on kassadin in urf mode, his w procs it twice that and a lichbane and my w was the blade that pierced the heavens, otherwise it really is too niche of an item

Pierce The VealMar 28, 20182 votes

Still a legitimate buy on him. It is the item that singlehandedly gives him the most damage in the game.

LordGeovanniMar 28, 20181 votes

I buy item 3042 and item 3040 if i can (being that i dont instantly die and the champ has bot ad and ap scaling or mana scaling like kass.) making sure to charge item 3004 early because its harder to charge when it you group and for some reason you cant choose which one you want to transform first and item 3003 always tranforms first

Pierce The VealMar 28, 20182 votes

Kassadin with both items is a monster, but it’s not reasonable to expect to charge both sigh. My games are usually basically over by the 10 or 15 minute mark (I play on other, higher elo accounts as well). As fun as buying both is, it just delays your strength too long to be viable.

EschetonMar 28, 201813 votes

I wish it didn't sell for 0 gold. God forbid you wanna change up your build come late-late-game.

CeliorapMar 28, 20186 votes

Riot normally responds with "What about item 3056 ", then they never add anything else to the conversation. Theyre pretty much telling you they dont care.

Jorge150Mar 28, 20184 votes

muramana has an identity crisis, its supposed to give you mana but it just makes you go through your mana pool faster, its supposed to be for ad champions, but they benefit from better options, like ER for caster adcs or almost any other ad item for auto attack based champions,and with length of games this season its pointless because usually unless you are something like ryze or ezreal by the time you stack it the winning team is already decided

Wild GeeseMar 28, 20183 votes

If you ever build a mage as ADC (because their high mana counts synergize with the item) , such as Ahri , who actually had one of the best attack speeds in the game...

But it's just not viable (just fun, and ok).

I think the item could seriously be good if it was a hybrid ad/ap item. We only have the two. If it gave mana, ad AND ap... I can think of a few users: Azir , Ekko , Varus , Zoe , TwistedFate , Kaisa , Kassadin , KogMaw and more.

Aerial Queen LizMar 28, 20183 votes

First of all, item 3042 item 3004 is an item that is supposed to be for AD casters. So yes, Ezreal . But also MissFortune Jhin or even Lucian and Jayce . But these champions all prefer other items, cause of the stats they give, more Lethality, more AD or more CDR. If they really wanna make this item better for the champions that might actually get it, they would have to raise the base stats of the item and maybe add some CDR to it. Almost every ap item gives cooldown reduction...why? Cause they're meant for spellcasters who need to have their abilities up as often as possible. Right now the item that does the same for AD champions is item 3508 or on certain champions, item 3071

They should just nerf the scaling with mana on it, and give it better base stats.

KazekibaMar 27, 20182 votes

The problem is it gives like 50-60 AD and does some on-hit damage but thats literally it. Whereas Seraphs gives a giant shield and one of the most insane AP stats from a single item in the game, even more now that it has 20% CDR and builds out of TWO mana items. Manamune should theoretically stack faster, because it builds on Autos while Tear/Archangel's don't, but it's still such a pathetic amount of AD from the item itself, there's no reason to want it.

45 AD + 2% of maximum mana Active: Consumes 30% of your maximum mana to (ignore 1 armor)/(deals 2% bonus damage) for every 15 mana consumed for the next 6 seconds.

RavenMagusMar 28, 20182 votes

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Manamune should theoretically stack faster, because it builds on Autos while Tear/Archangel's don't

Manamune might proc off autos but Archangel's gives 60% more mana per charge, and with the charge timers Archangel still stacks a lot faster.

ShadowmenderMar 28, 20181 votes

I like the idea.

ZackTheWaffleManMar 28, 20182 votes

Wait, it doesn't work on Kai'Sa any more? NOOOOO

RIP item 3040 + item 3042

LordGeovanniMar 28, 20181 votes

Thats still strong just for the ad ap and only running out of mana every 10 mins combined with item 3508 item 3085 item 3006 and item 3072 you make up what ever ie would have gave you with consistent damage from muramana. In my best Kai sa games i just ignore the ap scaling anyway and go crit item 3031 item 3087

Tomoe GozenMar 28, 20181 votes

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Wait, it doesn't work on Kai'Sa any more? NOOOOO

RIP +

That was never a thing. Only one Tear can be fully upgraded into Archangel's or Manamune while every other Tear is immediately discharged of all mana, resetting it back to 0. Riot did this change way back because that's what was happening with both Ez and Ryze, i believe.

The TrentMar 28, 20182 votes

I saw a ryze build that uses item 3042 in high elo once. That's about the only other cahmp that uses it. I don't like Muramana or arc angles. I think being so resource gated that you have to build a mana item like that is dumb. Like the items aren't even an option. It's like they're designed to have to be built on specific champs. Resource gated champs aren't fun in general, running out of mana while having your opponent HASAKEYs everywhere isn't fun. Champs like Anivia, Ez, etc should just have things integrated into their kit to help them keep mana.

Modl Ryden lMar 28, 20182 votes

Perhaps if they merged item 3004 or item 3042 with item 3508

To not only provide mana pool with mana restoration but also CDR. Similar to the recent changes with item 3003 .

I'm not saying to just straight up combine them but maybe have Manamune follow the similar changes with Archangels. I'd also think that Reaver would need some tuning to match them too.

Ok sure but whyMar 28, 20182 votes

I loved that item; I used it to get my Blitzcrank to M7 as a hybrid bruiser carry item 3042 item 3003 item 3115 item 3146 item 3124 item 3006

Riot should give it some love too

SaezioMar 28, 20182 votes

I agree if one item is core to 1 champion and useless to EVERY OTHER champion it needs to be removed/changed. Either change the passive or change the stats on it. It being an AD CASTER oriented item with ONHIT effects is preposterous. It is like having an assassin item with onhit effects passive. The problem is Riot are too scared to piss off the about 3 trillion Ezreal spammers. The game is turning into Game of thrones post season 4 when the audience took control of the plot. Right now the majority decides, for example the majority wants assassins out of the game, so assassins are not viable at high elo. Another example : not wanting to nerf adc because many people would quit, their supports alongside them.

TL DR : DEMOCRACY DOES NOT WORK like that. Having the many bully the few is how this game has been doing things, except for the period when the playerbase was skyrocketing (season 3 and 4 was it?) and they didn't care about losing players because everyone and your grandmother was joining the game.

Gay 4 Varus UwUMar 28, 20182 votes

It used to be built on Varus mid, but since the Q changes is kinda hasn't worked with his kit as he needs to focus more on going on-hit than anything. Which sucks cause I like mid Varus. AP is fun though.

Craft ZeppelinMar 28, 20181 votes

You know, I really want this item to be viable on crazy stuff like Kha'zix (which amps his passive and autos that you get two procs in a row)

Riot needs to know that the mana part is trivial, and we all want this item for its power boost passive.

Pierce The VealMar 28, 20181 votes

I mean, the mana is great, the issue is its ramp up time is the longest of any item in the game.

LordGeovanniMar 28, 20181 votes

If you dont group early and dont get bullied out of your lane you can charge it in 6-7 mins on like non ezreal champions if you dont delay for 'snowball items' ( item 3134 item 3027 ) same with any adc first buy before item 3087 or item 3031 as long as you dont sit on Tear too long and only use the skill you leveling to poke not wasting mana and making use of mp5

Pierce The VealMar 28, 20181 votes

If you rush it, perhaps it’s doable, but then not only are you investing in such a long ramp up item, you are also not getting items that make your early game good.

The Minion huntMar 28, 20181 votes

kha was so strong he could build it first item and all in the ap carry at lvl 4 -6.

Pierce The VealMar 28, 20181 votes

That was for an entirely different reason. His W evolve used to proc his passive, so he’d just spam his w and then all in when the enemy was low.

LordGeovanniMar 28, 20181 votes

The damage does not fall off if you playing a bruiser or a hybrid champion.

ThefrostyvikingMar 28, 20182 votes

Good sir,,,,,what?

Hybrid champs fall of by the single virtue of being hybrid, they cant get penetration for both their damage types, in return they get to have a really good midgame.

And brusier what?

Tanky melee with damage?A juggernaut?A diver? Neither of those can afford a tear of the goddess in their builds? Except singed......

LordGeovanniMar 30, 20181 votes

If by fall off you mean does less damage because the enemies you shit stomped earlier finally get defenses hybrid champs assassins adcs and mages do fall off .

ThefrostyvikingMar 30, 20181 votes

.....But in your comment you wrote :

The damage does not fall off if you playing a bruiser or a hybrid champion.

Which i read as " hybrids and bruisers do not fall off in damage"........am i completely off here or what? O_O

LordGeovanniMar 31, 20181 votes

Falling off and people catching up are not the same thing. Falling off would mean that you beat people when even or behind them and then you dont later. people catching up is when you win early and then you plateau and people catch up with to your plateau. this is what normally happens to carries the only people they dont accuse of this are people they have trouble getting a lead with in the first place

ThefrostyvikingMar 31, 20181 votes

.....Alright, i see, with that definition it makes a bit more sense.

The way i have seen "fall off" being used so far was kinda as in a relative to everyone else comparison, so you´d say that hyrbird damage falls off compared to a more singular type because when the time comes to build penetration the singular types can do so with no issue and get the most out of it.

But since the hybrids cant do that as well they thus fall off post that point.

Cairo KingMar 28, 20181 votes

Its the only thing making ezreal viable. If you dont like it dont build it. You are complaining about something so pointless.

CV VelociRapiMar 28, 20184 votes

So there is an item that is somewhat only viable on one champion out of the 140 and that is the only item that makes that specific champion viable Yep seems about right

426287Mar 28, 20181 votes

If only one champion uses it, just delete the item rather than rework it.

HäxelMar 28, 20181 votes

Wait, you already gave an explanation to yourself whithout me beeing needed to tell you this:

AD champs generally don't need mana anymore.

So what would any change to muramana do if ad champs don't need anymore Mana? With Runes like Manaflow Band or Presence of Mind as with other Manaitems you can't make this Item viabel if you not change nealry half or every ad champ to need more mana.

My 2 alternate suggestions beside changing every ad or let muramana be like it is:

Give Ezreal his Rework and remove Muramana: And/Or
Make Muramana an Ezreal only Item which he gets at the start or during the game similar to Viktors Hexcore plus Updates.