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Lol Zed is op?

SwapShadows··7 votes·6,542 views

Ok let me get this point across to everyone being a little bitch.

The one and ONLY reason zed may seem op to you and kill you everytime he sees you is because a) you arent using one of the many things to counter his ult and make him completely useless 2) you suck 3) you are most likely silver/bronze and don't know what countering is yet 4) you suck 5) you are a sheep 6) you really fucking suck

I may seem a little salty but wow I cannot fathom how retarded some people can get. Zed is literally one of the most balanced champions in this game, his energy costs are ridiculously high, he has a almost useless ult against GOOD players, he has many counters (every single member on the enemy team can counter him)

Honestly I can see where all the bitching is coming from, I used to play zed a lot when I was chilling on my silver account. Getting 20+ kills against silver players is pretty common so I can understand why most of the people complaining are complaining.

Also im going to put this out there, zed is one of the few assassins that can go 10/0 and still not be able to carry if the enemy team knows what they are doing, the rest have almost 0 counterplay.

Also I couldve just made my point with this statement alone but oh well: Zeds ult is completely useless if you spend like 1.4k on QSS, yes noobs you heard it here first, 1.4k to completely counter a ultimate for the rest of the game.

37 Comments

Just Jangle13 votes

Sure let's spend 1.4k at level 6 to counter 1 ult, not like early/mid game is important anyways.

:^)

SwapShadows2 votes

Sure lets be retarded and low elo and build the same thing every game instead of changing our build path for certain matchups

:^)

also you have to act this way, or else these kids will never learn.

Edit: Hes also silver, no wonder he doesn't want to counter build a zed.

Terff6 votes

Yes but still, building a QSS is fairly expensive, and you'll be behind from buying it. You're lacking early game damage and you're itemizing MR. Zed's ult is not the only thing in his kit you know? He still has damage outside of it.

Zmuecat2 votes

(or take exhaust)

If you aren't eating poke and aren't feeding Zed, exhaust should save you. It saves me as an underleveled support unless I just got through with a bad trade.

His problem is his ability to wave clear. No one should care about his assassination unless you aren't taking precautionary measures, because in all honesty, Zed is just Malz in a mobile form.

You have a problem building defenses against an assassin? I don't know what to tell ya, I have to build health on half of my supports depending on their match up, even if I don't want to. It's what the game is about.

SleepyLionCub5 votes

I agree, kidna. but u dont have to be a total dick about it.

That being said, zed can get shut down late game since he has no hard cc to stop people from killing him, unlike Ahri

SouL1ess5 votes

you arent using one of the many things to counter his ult and make him completely useless

No, that's Fizz.

Zed's basic abilities are still pretty good and allows him to contribute to a fight even when his ult is down. He can't really assassinate without his ult, but he certainly isn't useless when his ult is down.

Fizz's basic abilities on the other hand...

SwapShadows1 votes

Not really, a team will never let you get close enough to land enough autos to kill a adc.

late game zed NEEDS his ult to kill someone that knows what they are doing.

Malix Farwin5 votes

{quoted}

Not really, a team will never let you get close enough to land enough autos to kill a adc.

late game zed NEEDS his ult to kill someone that knows what they are doing.

You're a terrible zed if you believe this

Lord Dusteon5 votes

Right, I'll just spend 1.4k on a MR only item to counter a fully AD assassin. Not like he could murder me due not having wasted 1.4k gold on a useless defence stat.

SwapShadows2 votes

See this is the reason people cannot climb or carry games.

You have stasis builds and do not realize what counter building is.

Sure that 1.4k sounds like a waste but does it really????

does making zeds ult completely useless for 30+ minutes sound useless to you???

Lord Dusteon5 votes

{quoted}

See this is the reason people cannot climb or carry games.

You have stasis builds and do not realize what counter building is.

Sure that 1.4k sounds like a waste but does it really????

does making zeds ult completely useless for 30+ minutes sound useless to you???

When I have to rush that item first, even though it provides NO ACTUAL BENEFIT VS THE DAMAGE HE BUILDS, yes. Zed got 10% cdr, 10 armor penetration, 25 AD, and some potions. You got some MR and an active that removes his ults proc damage (but not you know, his autoattacks, or Q, or E, or passive. Or his shadow and ult shadow mimicking all off these).

Ligerzz2 votes

Really? If a mid lane mage wants to make his ult useless, they would rush zhonyas, but that isn't fair that you have to rush one item just to counter him, while he gets all of these items to increase his damage, while also getting magic damage from his passive (i think). They compensate this for their lack of mana regen and CDR which is crucial to mages. 2.5 seconds of invulnerability + some damage and armor over CDR, damage, mana regen, max mana, etc just really isn't fair. Mages shouldn't rush zhonyas as a first item, but usually as a 3rd or 4th item.

An ADC has to rush QSS just to counter his ult, but in return, they lose a crapload of damage to compensate. They don't have only Zed to worry about, but their lane opponents too. Rushing this item is utterly stupid because you won't scale into late game as quickly, while also holding yourself up in duels. I'd rather get more damage and lifesteal over this.

Romans VI XXIII5 votes

Zed is literally one of the most balanced champions in this game, his energy costs are ridiculously high

lvl 1 Zed

Q cost 75 Energy 6 Sec cool down (energy cost goes down per lvl, down to 55 energy at lvl 5)

Energy regens at 10 a sec

So every 7.5 seconds u can cast Q with no change to your Energy Pool,

Yep REDICULOUSLY HIGH ENERGY COSTS!!!!!!

btw it has 900 range, 1100+ range with shadow, and goes through minions

Name 1 Mana champ who can cast a spell every 7.5 seconds and not change there mana pool.

This is why Zed is OP and broke early game. He can near mindlessly spam his abilities to chunk you down then all in you when he pleases, ult or no ult. All other energy champs have some counter play to there mindless spamming, either short ranged spells, or cant go through minions. there is NO COUNTER PLAY to zeds Q or W-Q. You can counter build his ult all you want but with those worthless stats he will sit back and spam Q and W-Q all day and 1. push you out of lane. or 2. kill you with out the ult proc cause u have worthless stats while he is building CDR, AD, and Armor pen.

SwapShadows1 votes

Every single champion with poke can do this.

Orianna Lux Lissandra Ziggs Xerath etc

Malix Farwin4 votes

{quoted}

Every single champion with poke can do this.

Orianna Lux Lissandra Ziggs Xerath etc

You are trolling because those champs would be completely oom if they tried to poke zed instead of farming

Romans VI XXIII2 votes

Every single champ can cast a spell and regen all the resources spent for it in 7.5 seconds? LMFAO stop trolling and go to school, idk where u learn to do math but you should probably have spent more time doing your homework and less time trolling.

FusionSuit4 votes

why on fucking earth would I buy a MR item to counter an AD assassin just for something I probably won't get around level 6?

Who in their right mind would get an item that is meant to stop the opposite of what's the problem at hand

I don't give a damn if the Zed spams laugh at me because I bought some MR, because he's right to do so, when I coulda gotten a damn item 3157, or something else.

SwapShadows3 votes

Not every mid laner is AP genius

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

Most of them are. The only other AD min laners that regularly show up are Yasuo, Jayce, and Hecarim. And Hecarim is exclusively used as a counter to Zed, so it's not like he needs to counter-build Zed. So basically just Yasuo and Jayce.

Pretty Dhizi4 votes

Ways to fix Zed.

  1. Lower the % bonus attack damage he gets from his W. 25% is a ludicrously high number for an assassin that builds almost always straight damage items.
  2. Lower his armor and magic resist scaling, or outright remove his magic resist scaling. Assassins gaining equal level armor per level to tanks and bruisers is a bit silly.
  3. Lower Zed's Q damage scaling. at level 5, it does 235 damage with a 100% bonus AD scaling, including his W, making it a massive nuke for a low amount of energy every 6 seconds. Even then, they're almost always thrown from a W Extension, allowing 2 to hit, doing an additional 100-200 damage.
  4. Raise his cooldowns on Q and E. 6 and 4 seconds flat at all times not including CDR? Sheesh. I'm sorry, but that's just silly.

Being required to purchase items for a sole champion sort of defeats the purpose of having multiple item paths in-game. Yes, I can understand buying a QSS, but not early, nor mid game. If anything, QSS is a last-build item to negate dives when you're playing an ADC and sometimes possibly a mid lane champion or a fragile melee jungler. Buying a item for a champion mid-game when you need to scale with damage or health items is a bit preposterous.

Energy costs high? until he maxes one skill. Energy regeneration? Easily acquirable by placing W right on an enemy then doing Q and E. Bam, 80 energy regenerated right there, on top of 10 per second. Zed can easily carry if he snowballs, he's practically a hypercarry assassin with the way his numbers stack up, and can easily eliminate squishies, let alone nuke tanks with Last Whisper and nothing else built.

SwapShadows1 votes

Then you realize Zed builds armor pen, not pure damage.

Don't talk about champions you don't know about please.

Pretty Dhizi3 votes

{quoted}

Then you realize Zed builds armor pen, not pure damage.

Don't talk about champions you don't know about please.

Then Zed ults a target, and does 35% more damage due to 35% of armor being negated, and still gets a free 40 damage + 25% = 50 damage from Last whisper, and then his ultimate bursts a target for 50% of damage dealt.

Yup, seems pretty balanced. But % armor and magic penetration are already broken currently as fuck, so it doesn't truly matter. Arguing with a silver that abuse-played the champion is like arguing with a Riven main, it's summoner 3 ing.

SwapShadows3 votes

You know you are silver when you call QSS and zhonyas useless against zeds ultimate.

Just Jangle3 votes

lol OP most played champion last season is Zed.

Don't waste time with him, he just don't want his freelo nerfed.

SwapShadows1 votes

Except last season he was barely picked

causeimdabatman2 votes

If i could up vote this a million times i would.

SwapShadows3 votes

Same, Its ridiculous what these kids cry about now adays

SwapShadows2 votes

bump

Kuroi861 votes

Zed is strong, but not op. His wave clear could still use a little tweaking but the AS nerf did more than people think.

As for countering Zed, it's more about knowing how to CS and saving your spells to keep him from trying to trade with you. If you've a skill shot that's over 900 range, you've a shot at keeping him at bay while you focus on csing.
You shouldn't be pushing lane, you want to farm as much as you can so you can get your items asap. Last hitting is a massive part of laning against an assassin as it gives you the needed mana regen to handle harassing back and forth.
By the time both champs hit level six, try to be above half health or else Zed is likely going to dive and try for a kill.
If you're close to half, let the lane push up til you can relax in turret range, if Zed dives you here, he's opening himself for you to CC him and kill him.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Says a Veigar main.

  1. Level stun by 2 points
  2. Stun Zed.
  3. Shoot out free damage WQR.
  4. Zed gg
SwapShadows1 votes

veigars level 1 E is fairly bad, by the time you walk up to someone they aren't stunned anymore.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Yes, that's why I said at least 2 points.

Brotha1 votes

I wish I could upvote this 7million times. Same for Lee Sin.

If you pick into a zed you can easily counter him with Annie, Malzahar, Kayle, Lux, Orianna, Karma or Morgana. If Zed picks against you just build a qss or Zhonyas, it's not hard to keep your lane until level 6 than simply ask for a small tent until you can afford the item.

{quoted}

Name 1 Mana champ who can cast a spell every 7.5 seconds and not change there mana pool.

Annie Q on killing blow Malzahar Malzahar E

Both beat Zed at all points in the game, both have stronger teamfights.

SouL1ess1 votes

Can you not specify two champions that explicitly has the property "gain a certain percent of the skill's mana cost back if it kills a target?"

What about all the other champions that don't have such mechanisms?

And mages are naturally stronger than assassins in teamfights as long as they get breathing room...

Stonington1 votes

Lol. This is so true. I ban Zed because he's a useless champ and I don't want someone picking him on my team.

Fransiee1 votes

lol, I bet Zed is the only champion you play and that is why you feel personally offended when people say he is OP.

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