Lissandra is too weak

Doodlzzz·3/3/2018, 12:55:57 AM·9 votes·2,759 views

Great kit, nice design, but she is just too weak overall.

For her default stats: + 40 base HP, + 3 base amour, +0.25 MR per level

For her abilities:

Q: increase AP ratio from 70% to 85% to the first target it hits, and remains the same for the rest. W: increase range by 25 (sometimes it feels like it should hit when it doesn't) E: no changes R: increase base damage from 150/250/350 to 175/275/375 and increase AP ratio from 70% to 85%

So you might think: "these changes will make her super op" well, maybe but I'm trying to make a few points:

1 - Lissandra is simply not bulky enough to last in team-fights, especially as a battle mage. 2 - Lissandra has a lot of trouble assassinating ADC's because her burst combo doesn't deal nearly enough damage, and forget even touching that Twitch if he has a Janna/Lulu nearby.

Say what you think in the comments, but I really think Lissandra deserves these buffs.

16 Comments

notice me Sin pi3/3/2018, 1:52:17 AM4 votes

I think lissandra's problem lies in passive, just like veigar before mage roaster rework. Riot fixed veigar by changing his passive into AP scaling, and it makes sense. For lissandra, I think a similar passive would work, except it should scale defensely. Given Lissandra's 3sec cd Q by late game along with her W and E being designed to jump into enemy team, I imagine defense stats would work well with her.

CppL3/3/2018, 6:17:34 AM2 votes

"Lissandra is too weak ,lets buff everything in her kit"...

report yasuo3/3/2018, 5:59:56 AM2 votes

What are you on? She has so much cc to make up for it she is not an assassin she locks down an enemy with all her LONG cc and then kill them. Clearly you are building wrong on Liss and don't know her playstyle whats so ever.

tulip3/4/2018, 1:44:11 PM1 votes

I literally made the same thread about Lissandra being weak. And the last two posts were. "Lissandra is actually so OP. She's fine where she is." Like, please shut up. I searched up their ranks and they were both silver. Like, sit down girl. Don't come for me with that trash talk about her being OP because literally she's not.

ƒrostγ3/5/2018, 8:56:09 PM1 votes

Her Q should 'shatter' frozen ( CC-d ) enemies and deal extra damage I think.

Vayne For Hire4/21/2018, 5:14:06 AM1 votes

She needs a passive change that gives her ice stacks. She is the Ice Queen after all.

For example: she would benefit from a passive similar to brands but with stacks and upon landing 3 - 4 abilities she breaks the enemy's Armor/Magic Resist and has % increase of Ability Power / Damage for further hits for a short duration.

For example: she would benefit from any type of stacking mechanism personally i would call it " shards of ice " and allow it to stack 4 shards and break enemies or open them up for more damage upon getting stacked on.

Recently Sejuani got some stacking but, honestly who is cooler Sej? or the Queen her self!

Would love to hear riots opinion on refreshing her!

redniwediS3/3/2018, 12:58:28 AM1 votes

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I'll be talking Lissandra a bit next week. That will be the current state of changes being tested, not a change list that's definitely shipping though.

Always check the Dev corner.

Uhm Actually8/22/2018, 6:09:31 PM1 votes

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Great kit, nice design, but she is just too weak overall.

For her default stats: + 40 base HP, + 3 base amour, +0.25 MR per level

For her abilities:

Q: increase AP ratio from 70% to 85% to the first target it hits, and remains the same for the rest. W: increase range by 25 (sometimes it feels like it should hit when it doesn't) E: no changes R: increase base damage from 150/250/350 to 175/275/375 and increase AP ratio from 70% to 85%

So you might think: "these changes will make her super op" well, maybe but I'm trying to make a few points:

1 - Lissandra is simply not bulky enough to last in team-fights, especially as a battle mage. 2 - Lissandra has a lot of trouble assassinating ADC's because her burst combo doesn't deal nearly enough damage, and forget even touching that Twitch if he has a Janna/Lulu nearby.

Say what you think in the comments, but I really think Lissandra deserves these buffs.

You must play her wrong & build her wrong. I carry every single game with her. She is one of the few champs that can 1v5 if fed. (even 1v9). item 3514 Lissandra mains be like: Hmm, stfu.

LeAzir3/3/2018, 12:59:36 AM1 votes

I miss playing her... my dear Liss, why have we parted ways?

item 3070 Lissandra - farewell, my dear friend, I see you have chosen Azir instead </3

Azir SOLDIERS ONWARD :3

Sai Aquarius3/3/2018, 8:18:14 AM1 votes

I think if they change her passive and her cooldowns a bit would make a huge difference