If this video doesn't prove Murumana needs a rework..IDK what will....

xxxMadLionxxx··1 votes·681 views

Skip to 9:35 of the video and you will how Kai sa Q procs murumana 12 times and is able to 1 shot Jinx. Watch the full video to see more examples.

This is just one issue with murumana. There are several more issues but I won't get into and riot wont rework the item either. I bet they would rather hotfix how it works with Kai sa Q instead.

Anyway, please upvote so this can get riot attention. Thanks

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Xion The XIV2 votes

idk this is a bunnyfufu video he is just like 1 step away from Brofresco that I would not be surprised he stacks teams. Have to remember almost all of these games are 60+ minutes and enemy letting him stack everything on all champions.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

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idk this is a bunnyfufu video he is just like 1 step away from Brofresco that I would not be surprised he stacks teams. Have to remember almost all of these games are 60+ minutes and enemy letting him stack everything on all champions.

Yea I understand that, but it doesn't change the fact that murumana is broken on this champ.

ViciousSummoner1 votes

Her Q either needs to not apply on-hit effects or needs to be worked in a way in which she gets less use out of on-hit effects with her Q.

Darkin Hybrid1 votes

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Her Q either needs to not apply on-hit effects or needs to be worked in a way in which she gets less use out of on-hit effects with her Q.

Imagine how broken she'd be if her Q applied duskblade procs for every Q hit if she timed it right with her E stealth. That would be stupidly funny.

SEKAI1 votes

I think the problem is the champ, not the item.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

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I think the problem is the champ, not the item.

well... the thing is, murumana has a lot of other issues that I din't want to go into. but hey its the champ

Anonagon1 votes

They've already confirmed that her Q will be changed so all subsequent hits will be treated as DOT damage, removing this synergy as well as reducing the synergy with Gunblade.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/oEEngRkl-what-do-i-build-on-kaiosa?comment=00070000

Sona Ping1 votes

Okay, I like you less now for causing me to watch that video. To the main point:

I bet they would rather hotfix how it works with Kai sa Q instead.

How doesn't this demonstrate the problem is with the ineteraction? Why is the easiest, most apparent solution the wrong one here when it looks to be the fairest one? Like can we get some context for your conclusion please.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

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Okay, I like you less now for causing me to watch that video. To the main point:

How doesn't this demonstrate the problem is with the ineteraction? Why is the easiest, most apparent solution the wrong one here when it looks to be the fairest one? Like can we get some context for your conclusion please.

Because, this is not the only ability that riot changes so it doesn't work with murumana. If you look at Lucian ult, it does single target damage with every bullet, but riot categorizes the spell as a AOE damage over time. AOE spells can hit more than one target at a time like MF ult, Lucian ult cannot. Each shot can only hit a single target, while it can hit more than one target at different times, each shot still only hits one target at a time.

Hence, Lucian ult is just like Kai sa Q. So instead of fixing murumana, they just pretend the spell is an AOE damage over time.

There are other issues with murumana in that it takes forever to stack.

More and more single target spells a lost in the game with each champ rework such Urgot rework. This makes the item outdated as less champs have single target abilities. Only Ez builds murumana as he is one of the last decent users.

Its an AD item while there are a few mages who have single target abilitiesAhri Syndra Ryze Swain Cassiopeia but can't use it because its AD.

AD champs have better itemization from lethality so they don't build it such as Jayce.

Its suppose to help mana hungry champs, but actually drain a lot of mana when its build or used. In the video you can see each of kai sa Q drained 1/3 of her mana.

Overall murumana is outdated and needs a rework instead of hot fixing champ spell.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Because, this is not the only ability that riot changes so it doesn't work with murumana. If you look at Lucian ult, it does single target damage with every bullet, but riot categorizes the spell as a AOE damage over time. AOE spells can hit more than one target at a time like MF ult, Lucian ult cannot. Each shot can only hit a single target, while it can hit more than one target at different times, each shot still only hits one target at a time.

Hence, Lucian ult is just like Kai sa Q. So instead of fixing murumana, they just pretend the spell is an AOE damage over time.

There are other issues with murumana in that it takes forever to stack.

More and more single target spells a lost in the game with each champ rework such Urgot rework. This makes the item outdated as less champs have single target abilities. Only Ez builds murumana as he is one of the last decent users.

Its an AD item while there are a few mages who have single target abilitiesAhri Syndra Ryze Swain Cassiopeia but can't use it because its AD.

AD champs have better itemization from lethality so they don't build it such as Jayce.

Its suppose to help mana hungry champs, but actually drain a lot of mana when its build or used. In the video you can see each of kai sa Q drained 1/3 of her mana.

Overall murumana is outdated and needs a rework instead of hot fixing champ spell.

all i got fromt his is that you want it to be an AP item for whatever reason? even though those champions you mentioned would rather get you know item 3003 this? and then complaining because a champion's ability breaks the item so it's the items fault somehow and not the champion? that is why DotS abilities do not provide the full effects of some items i guess we should rework every single one of those items because "they are outdated and needs a rework instead of hot fixing the champ spell"

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

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all i got fromt his is that you want it to be an AP item for whatever reason? even though those champions you mentioned would rather get you know item 3003 this? and then complaining because a champion's ability breaks the item so it's the items fault somehow and not the champion? that is why DotS abilities do not provide the full effects of some items i guess we should rework every single one of those items because "they are outdated and needs a rework instead of hot fixing the champ spell"

Okay, so current, very few champs actually use Murumana. The only champ that still uses it is Ez. I guess you are totally fine with having an item dedicated to one champ. Cause riot usually deletes items that aren't getting used but they have not deleted murumana because the item is very unique because of the passive. The problem no one can really use it. That y it is outdated and needs a rework

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Okay, so current, very few champs actually use Murumana. The only champ that still uses it is Ez. I guess you are totally fine with having an item dedicated to one champ. Cause riot usually deletes items that aren't getting used but they have not deleted murumana because the item is very unique because of the passive. The problem no one can really use it. That y it is outdated and needs a rework

and your suggestion is changing it to an AP item that will just compete with item 3003 and lose every single time? making it even less likely to be built by anyone? so now it has ZERO champions that want to build it? item 3004 is at least seeing some form of play unlike item 3056 that sees next to none. The item is not going to get reworked because it doesn't need one. Champions need to actually start caring for mana, Jayce needs to care for mana and new champions need to be introduced. The item at most could be changed so that it's easier to stack but that's about it

Azadethe1 votes

How did he get over 1000 AD? I know the Janna Barrier, but it doesn't add that much? 3 Infernals, yeah. Baron? yeah. Still kind of curious.

Just trying to point out...... this damage isn't normal.

It's Janna buffed as AP Janna, etc.

But yeah. they'll probably take the Muramana proc off Q.

O Fallen Scholar1 votes

Does every LoL youtuber has to make clickbait nonsense with exaggerated titles these days? I hope all of their videos get demonetized for this cringe stuff they make.

Leaf on Bush1 votes

This will be the "Kha'Zix build", because it only works against isolated targets. xD

I think it's kinda cool, but it might come with some balance issues because Muramana is kinda overlooked at the moment. There are almost no champions that use it.

That guy is super annoying though, didn't bother watching this.

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