So everyone is crying that Garen is broken for one patch, meanwhile...

Neriticc··6 votes·2,100 views

Darius has been broken since juggernaut update in S5. Darius has always been a tier 1 champion since S5 update. Darius does everything better than Garen does at all stages of the game.

How can you guys even say that Garen is broken? Riot forced Garen to completely change his first item from BC to Trinity Force or else the champion is useless. Garen has lost all his tankiness with the W nerf and his passive is a joke in the early levels. Don’t even complain about his ult damage. His ult deals like 1500 damage when the target has like 600 HP. That is 900 damage gone to waste. Garen cannot one shot with his ultimate when the target is full HP.

The only broken part about this champion is the Conqueror stacking with his E. Why that shit went through I don’t know. If Riot remove the Conqueror and E synergy, then Garen immediately becomes weak again. Garen is not the problem here. Point your fingers at the overloaded, overstat bullshit keystone called Conqueror.

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only luciano5 votes

Riot wants some champions to be above a 50% win rate because they were designed to be like that. Other examples are Zed Talon Draven Renekton Fizz Yasuo

Ekhasm1 votes

Why would they want Garen to be above 50% win rate? He's boring AF, so is Renekton

Juice5 votes

Darius gets 2000+ gold for attacking you 5 times. Lol.

This champ is just pure auto win if you have 10 fingers on your hands.

Beating him is nearly impossible, even if you outplay him and get multiple kills on him.

Toxic champ, that's why Top is in such a miserable state. You can autofill as top and pick Darius walk into enemy minion wave lv1 and 100>0 enemy top laner without him being able to do anything. The only counterplay is to not fight Darius and PRAY your team carries you.

But yeah "GAREN" is OP ahaha, no CC, no sustain (please don't even think about talking about his passive as "sustain" in the early game)

The only place Garen is OP is under GOLD , but if Riot balanced the game around GOLD and under the game would be vastly different.

SithesisLord3 votes

Darius gets 2000+ gold for attacking you 5 times. Lol.

If he ever gets there. Darius goes Ghost/Flash for a reason.

This champ is just pure auto win if you have 10 fingers on your hands.

And if aren't against the likes of Ornn, GP, Kayle, all the ranged top laners, a Jax that's not on Paper Mache 27 elo, etc.

Beating him is nearly impossible, even if you outplay him and get multiple kills on him.

If you're choosing to fight him when he's at an advantage, say, after ulting 2 members of your team, then yeah. But then again, why are you fighting him when he's at an advantage?

Toxic champ, that's why Top is in such a miserable state.

Top is in a miserable state because of all the ADCs going there and Klepto.

You can autofill as top and pick Darius walk into enemy minion wave lv1 and 100>0 enemy top laner without him being able to do anything.

Good luck doing that to a Quinn or a Kennen without Ghost/Flash. hell, WITH Ghost/Flash they'll still kite the fuck out of you. Darius is anything but blind pickable right now.

The only counterplay is to not fight Darius and outscale him by default the attosecond the game timer reaches 25 minutes.

FTFY

But yeah "GAREN" is OP ahaha, no CC, no sustain (please don't even think about talking about his passive as "sustain" in the early game)

Silence is CC. Hard CC too.

Also, regen and shields count as sustain. Garen happens to have both. But a lot more of the former. Garen's passive IS still sustain.

The only place Garen is OP is under GOLD

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Juice2 votes

If he ever gets there. Darius goes Ghost/Flash for a reason.

Darius also has perma slow on a 3 sec cd that resets his AA and allows him to apply 2 stacks of his passive almost instantly, also goes phage for bonus movement speed for hitting you. He goes ghost because he's so cheesy and overpowered he can afford to click ghost and right click you to death missing every spell but winning due to broken passive that gives him AD, deals 10 times more damage than ignite, is impossible to itemize against. And that's just one of his multiple passives.

And if aren't against the likes of Ornn, GP, Kayle, all the ranged top laners, a Jax that's not on Paper Mache 27 elo, etc.

Darius stomps all of the listed champions with ZERO effort, as long as he has fingers and knows how to hit his Q properly. Ornn is slow, deals no damage, can't escape a Darius, Kayle gets caught by an E and dies instantly, NOTHING a Kayle can do if she gets caught by a single E. Jax? There is no point in the game when Jax can beat Darius. Darius doesn't need Spear to Shojin to have his cooldowns in URF mode (3 sec cd on Q late game HYPERLUL) not to mention all the busted passives Darius has ...

If you're choosing to fight him when he's at an advantage, say, after ulting 2 members of your team, then yeah. But then again, why are you fighting him when he's at an advantage?

As I said Darius is at an advantage from Lv1 till lv18, he powerspikes every single level and wins every all in and 1v1 vs any champion with ease. Wave management, trading, or general game knowledge are all irrelevant to Darius player since he can brute force and win every match up with an overloaded champion that's been overpowered since Season 5

Top is in a miserable state because of all the ADCs going there and Klepto.

People are forced to play ranged champs because Darius is so cancerous to deal with you can at least try to outrange him and survive the lane phase rather than having him instawin every melee match up and zone you from farm 24/7 and then tower dive you and 1v5 your entire team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8VgO_AGC3M

He only got buffs from this clip btw

Good luck doing that to a Quinn or a Kennen without Ghost/Flash. hell, WITH Ghost/Flash they'll still kite the fuck out of you. Darius is anything but blind pickable right now.

1 pull on either of those and they are 100% dead with nothing they can do, Quinn and Kennen take infinitely more skill to pull off successfully than Darius.

The only counterplay is to not fight Darius and outscale him by default the attosecond the game timer reaches 25 minutes.

The only champion that outscales Darius' 3 sec Q cd and 5 sec pull CD and 300 bonus AD passive late game is Veigar with 5000 AP, that would take about 2-3 hours to achieve in a single match.

Silence is CC. Hard CC too. Also, regen and shields count as sustain. Garen happens to have both. But a lot more of the former. Garen's passive IS still sustain.

Silence is not CC, it's especially not hard CC. Shields do not count as sustain and neither does his pathetic passive that any good player can deny or force him to miss CS to proc it.

Ekhasm1 votes

Both are incorrect. Hard CC removes control of your character, so basically: Stun, Suppression, Airborne, Fear, Taunt

Radiant Wukong3 votes

Garen has been winning lane against Darius and Teemo ever since he got tenacity and damage reduction on his W. The only champions that can keep Garen in check in lane are Yorick, Nasus, Fiora, Trundle.

Maybe Tryndamere (since Garen isn't actually rushing armor anymore) but that comes down to the summoners.

Juice3 votes

You're kidding right? Garen winning against Darius? Darius can just right click Garen while he does his stupid spin and outdamage him even if Garen is 2k+ gold ahead.

Teemo can kite Garen forever and a well timed blind stops any kind of aggression.

Urgot, Fiora, Jax, Trundle, Darius, Teemo, Quinn, Malphite, Cho, Rengar, Cassiopeia, Kled all counter Garen and deal with him easily

Muzen3 votes

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Garen has been winning lane against Darius and Teemo ever since he got tenacity and damage reduction on his W. The only champions that can keep Garen in check in lane are Yorick, Nasus, Fiora, Trundle.

Maybe Tryndamere (since Garen isn't actually rushing armor anymore) but that comes down to the summoners.

only an experienced garen can beat darius and teemo. i would like to see you trying. xD

True Garen1 votes

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Garen has been winning lane against Darius and Teemo ever since he got tenacity and damage reduction on his W. The only champions that can keep Garen in check in lane are Yorick, Nasus, Fiora, Trundle.

Maybe Tryndamere (since Garen isn't actually rushing armor anymore) but that comes down to the summoners.

No.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

Darius does everything better than Garen does at all stages of the game.

Meanwhile, Garen gets repeatedly picked as a Bot laner in Worlds matches, while Darius twiddles his thumbs in the dark corner...

Juice3 votes

Worlds = Solo Queue

Garen is just a cheese pick that enables Yuumi to deal damage

Muzen3 votes

it's because these crybabies are champ and elo elitists...for not calling it champ racists xD.how dare Garen the "noobie" champ be winning against their edgelord skilllord yasuos(jk) but whatever champ xD

Zeppelins circus2 votes

"?" ping

iMidg3t2 votes

Are you insane? You cannot complain about darius because "muh immobility" and "muh bruiser is melee champ" and finally "no counterplay against noobz ranged toplaners".

Nevermind that garen is similar to darius...if you take away cc, slow, bleed, instant healing, bonus AD from just autoattacking...nevermind that all things I mentioned above can be applied to garen...but still m-m-muh garen 2op4me

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