Cassiopeia hits level 2

You know who's playstyle has never been changed, despite being approximately the oldest champion in League and having an update?

Well I think it was back in season 2 where she was consider one of the strongest mages. I mean theoretically she is one of the strongest mages since she can hypercarry. After her post rework people hated the new cass the first couple months. Her poison dmg and early game was reduced to a ridiculous level, all in exchange of an even stronger late game, which she already possessed. Her passive sounds good all in paper, but it was technically a farming phase like nasus for her to hit 400 stacks. Until they changed to to 500 stacks, with 1 stack adding every 6 seconds. But anyways, old cass was not bad. It's just meta changes, and people prefer to play champions who are more mobile, burstier and snowball extremely fast, like assassins. Not to mention, not many people know how to properly play cass.

Before the buffs, she didn't do anything until she had the full 300 stacks, when she had seraphs/rod/rabadons (remember this is off almost no damage) + zhoynas in a perfect world, and then she was great... but that was at 30 minutes, you were 3 dragons down from fighting a bunch of 3v4's and 4v5's; her Q didn't do damage because the E's didn't stack ticks of poison (the way it actually works is a weird % buff to poison damage, right?), the Q speed was really low early, and the scaling on everything was worse than it was now (despite the only viable build being "get 1.5k AP or feed") It was a nightmare to play, and picking Cassio, a pre rework niche, but playable, champ, felt like damning your team to a surrender at 20. I agree that now she's in an unhealthy place with the good old "level 2, you die" and should probably have to give up some sort of safety she has, but I have to think it's better than just not playing league for 30 minutes of every game. (the also change the way stacks work; it used to be on poisoned minion kill, not just how long the game's been... it was sooooo slooooow).

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But it's not true. Talk all you want about the problems with Cass and her balance but the idea that she didn't need buffs after her rework is ridiculous. She may have gotten buffed too much but she was terrible back then, the win rate supported it and the theory that people just didn't know how to play her is idiotic. Nobody has discovered a new way to play Cass, they're doing the exact same things with her that they did before the buffs, except with actual success. What evidence is there to support the idea that Cass wasn't actually bad but people just didn't know how to play her, exactly?

This isn't one of the times where Riot releases a new champion that looks awful at first and gets buffed before people figure out how to play them. There was basically nothing new to learn about Cass outside of shifting towards greater focus on Twin Fang, it's insane to think previous mains could have simply forgotten how to play her.

Then you realize that win rates are an absolutely bullshit statistic to reference to make a point, except in massive and extreme cases, Ie, Rek'sai release.

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If she was "bullying champions to all end for the majority of the roster" she wouldn't be looking at early game winrate of about 46% (Compare with Pantheon, who is an actual lane bully, sporting an early game winrate of about 57%).

Her early game is terrible, and her relevance is only until much later in the game, if you're having that much trouble, I recommend asking a teammate of yours who's skilled with her to lane against you until you see what's costing you so much, or even playing as her to see what her weaknesses feel like.

She is not hard to shut down, she is irrelevant for a large portion of the game, she's easily counterpicked, but most importantly, the numbers actually support these things that I'm saying. If you don't feel like doing the ballsy thing and picking an assassin against her to try and snowball off her CC-less, short ranged, immobile, squishy ass, you can pick a long range siege mage like Xerath and deny her gold entirely.

She isn't short ranged lol

Her shortest ranged ability is her twin fang at 700, everything else is literally 800+.

She also has a 20% ms boost her Q and it slows, not to mention her ult. She's still relatively immobile but she has ways to deal with it and she has CC and kiting/chasing for days.

I really want to know how they measure the success of a champion early game. Quite frankly, she's not easy to play so I would look at those stats and only use them as evidence for so much. She's oppressive as shit early, saying she's not is retarded. And she shits on most assassins actually, because she can kite/cc them and bully them early when they're weak. Leblanc might be an exception. Not to mention she can also go top lane where she bullies everything in existence not named Irelia.

To be honest, I think those numbers don't mean much of anything because you're pointing at early game winrate, which is something that is impacted by so much shit outside of the champions control. And as I noted, like Leblanc, Cass is hard as shit to play. I suspect most people are just bad with her, yes even in higher elo.

And Xerath would be safe vs her but I seriously don't see him shutting her down, sorry.

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I...I'm not even sure if you're agreeing with me, or if it's sarcasm, or trolling...

But yeah, Jinx and Sej need nerfs, Lee Sin and Yasuo are balanced, as are Zed and LeBlanc (who may actually need a buff), and you can't ignore numerical data like some luddite because it doesn't fit your anecdotal stuff.

And you can't also pretend that numerical data means everything. Furthermore. I still want to know how you collect data and determine a champions "early game winrate." To me, there's no way you collect that as worthwhile evidence because it's going to be flawed as fuck.

You want to talk about numerical data? You saying she's short when her spells ranges are 850, 700, 800 and 825 respectively. That's not short ranged. Mordekaiser is short ranged, Ryze is short ranged, Vlad is short ranged. You saying she's ccless and implying she has no way to deal with mobility when she does. Cass can literally kite everything, especially once she gets a rylais. Where in your flaw numbers are you going to point out she can't? I'm not saying numbers don't lie, I'm saying numbers can be skewed and poorly sampled.

I think he's doing all of those... At once. does it all.