Hey Riot, it would be cool if I could, ya know, actually play Janna? A champ that I like? But...

Jesus is Savior··1 votes·538 views

Support is my secondary role, and I'm not as good at it as I am at jungling.

And if I pick jungle/support, I get support 70%-80+% of the time.

So instead I have to pick jungle/mid, and play Eve mid, even though I don't actually play mid very well, because then I will at least get to jungle 70% of the time.

And as a result, I haven't actually been able to play Janna in ranked for weeks.

You guys really need to fix this shitty system. I'm not actually able to play my REAL secondary role, because it ends up taking priority over my primary role because it's so unpopular.

If I want to play to win, I'm not allowed to play one of my favorite champions anymore.

GD crosspost: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/MWzsikZU-hey-riot-it-would-be-cool-if-i-could-ya-know-actually-play-janna-a-champ-that-i-like-but

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disregardable1 votes

I'd try it again for 15 games or so if it's been a few weeks. They've changed it a bit, and they've said that everyone should be seeing the majority of their games as their primary (even if secondary is support).

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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I'd try it again for 15 games or so if it's been a few weeks. They've changed it a bit, and they've said that everyone should be seeing the majority of their games as their primary (even if secondary is support).

Where did they say this?

EDIT: and considering how much I get mid, the most popular role in the game, when I queue as jungle main mid secondary... I'm gonna be reluctant.

disregardable1 votes

On Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/45681m/im_an_adc_main_and_my_secondary_is_support/

Right now we think this is possible because of RNG, but pretty rare (with millions of players, someone will randomly get secondary a ton of the time because that's how probability works). I want to make sure we keep an eye on this and make sure the randomness isn't too high in the system. We know the average player is getting their primary the majority of the time, but it doesn't feel great if a lot of people are still getting high secondary percentages.

Edit: Plus,

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/44yosb/im_fed_up_with_playing_support_because_new_champ/

80% support if you are bot/supp is way too high. The numbers that I've looked at show all positions getting their primary the majority of the time. For the specific combination of bot/supp it should also get you your primary the majority of the time.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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On Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/45681m/im_an_adc_main_and_my_secondary_is_support/

rofl Reddit? Not even boards?

Something like this belongs in the PATCH NOTES even.

ElysMustache1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-13T11:49:38.410+0000) if I pick jungle/support, I get support 70%-80+% of the time.

So instead I have to pick jungle/mid,

I haven't actually been able to play Janna

What if... and this may blow your mind... you picked jungle/mid in SOME of your games, but in some OTHER games, you picked jungle/SUPPORT?

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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What if... and this may blow your mind... you picked jungle/mid in SOME of your games, but in some OTHER games, you picked jungle/SUPPORT?

Because then in those OTHER games I would be supporting 100% (well, erm, 80%) of the time.

I play ranked to win. Support is my fallback. I don't want to be FORCED to play it. Which is what picking jungle/support is basically going to do. Force me to play mostly support.

ElysMustache1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-13T12:03:41.826+0000)

Because then in those OTHER games I would be supporting 100% (well, erm, 80%) of the time.

Alright. What if you duo'd with a support player then, and selected Jungle/Support?

Seems like that should solve your problem.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

What if I told you... That support is a role with less players... So you are more likely to be in that secondary role due to its availability compared to jungle?

Or we can all blame the system as being faulty instead of using basic logic.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-13T12:10:25.211+0000)

What if I told you... That support is a role with less players... So you are more likely to be in that secondary role due to its availability compared to jungle?

Or we can all blame the system as being faulty instead of using basic logic.

That IS the definition of a faulty system though.

It shouldn't put me in my secondary role more often just because it is a less popular role.

It should, instead, make queue times a bit longer so my primary/secondary ratio remains 80% : 20%, regardless of role popularity.

This isn't teambuilder where the end goal is shorter queue times. This is ranked, where the end goal is a great competitive experience. Putting people in their secondary role more often due to "role popularity" is not a great competitive experience. It's their secondary role because they are not as good at it (ie: it is their SECONDARY role for a reason). Putting them into it more often will make them lose more games, and make their rank go down. That is NOT "competitive".

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-02-13T12:14:59.613+0000)

That IS the definition of a faulty system though.

It shouldn't put me in my secondary role more often just because it is a less popular role.

It should, instead, make queue times a bit longer so my primary/secondary ratio remains 80% : 20%, regardless of role popularity.

This isn't teambuilder where the end goal is shorter queue times. This is ranked, where the end goal is a great competitive experience. Putting people in their secondary role more often due to "role popularity" is not a great competitive experience. It's their secondary role because they are not as good at it (ie: it is their SECONDARY role for a reason). Putting them into it more often will make them lose more games, and make their rank go down. That is NOT "competitive".

No not really. Faulty would be you never getting primary when it is available. It is working as intended. If not a then b, that is how it works.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T21:06:28.683+0000)

Faulty would be you never getting primary when it is available.

That's what it does, though.

I go jungle/support and it makes me support, and then it throws the mid/jungle into the jungle role.

My role was available. But it shoved me into support instead of waiting for a real support, and then threw someone else into jungle who had it marked as secondary. In that scenario it also shuffles a bunch of other people into their secondary roles as well to compensate (usually 3-4 people will end up in their secondary roles when it does that).

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T22:12:04.871+0000)

That's what it does, though.

I go jungle/support and it makes me support, and then it throws the mid/jungle into the jungle role.

My role was available. But it shoved me into support instead of waiting for a real support, and then threw someone else into jungle who had it marked as secondary. In that scenario it also shuffles a bunch of other people into their secondary roles as well to compensate (usually 3-4 people will end up in their secondary roles when it does that).

There are several aspects to your argument that are lacking, primarily, the fact you are basing the entire system on your own expectations. For myself, when I utilized it I played my primary role the majority of the time. The only time this changed was when I switched my second from mid, to support, or to top, where I saw myself playing those two positions more often.

Let us consider, however, your observation is universal. What is occurring in the background? We understand the system needs to place 5 individuals on a team capable of playing a variation of 5 spots. In the event you have several individuals aiming for the same spot, the system may be choosing at random from the three individuals who have chosen the designated role, and then placing the other two in their other chosen roles.

Essentially

Player 1 Chooses A/B Player 2 chooses A/C Player 3 chooses D/A

Three people have A selected, so the system resolves the issue by choosing at random.

Which would make sense and be fair since in the end, even if it considered primary only in this scenario, either player 1 or 2 would get the spot anyway.

As it stands, we don't have an understanding of the internal workings of the system created, but one can guess, it isn't really broken. It just doesn't have the same function as team builder which gives the preferred role out, it sorts between two which makes it more complicated.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T22:16:44.846+0000)

As it stands, we don't have an understanding of the internal workings of the system created,

When you get shoved into a secondary role ask everyone else what they queued as. You'd be surprised. Sometimes it will throw an entire 4 people into secondary roles when it could have had all 5 in their primaries by just waiting for a support primary and letting the queue time be a bit longer.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

I don`t understand. You rant about not being able to play Janna (a support), yet you simultaneously complain about getting support too often if you put it as your secondary?

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aeolian Melodies,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjAfMExc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-13T17:05:32.370+0000)

I don`t understand. You rant about not being able to play Janna (a support), yet you simultaneously complain about getting support too often if you put it as your secondary?

Last season:

Me: "Jungle pref" First pick: "nope I'm jungling" Me: "k I'll support with Janna" (happens about 5%-10% of the time)

This season:

Choose jungle/support: support support support support support support support jungle support support support support support support jungle

Choose jungle/mid: jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle mid jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle mid jungle jungle jungle jungle

But my main is secondary and my backup is support. I'm complaining that I can't play my true secondary role in the new queue, because it's so unpopular it becomes my "primary"

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