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Hibeki··3 votes·515 views

But Lethality is not nearly as good as you guys think.

You waste a lot of the stats on the item for like, a measly 15 armor pen?

The reason armor pen is good is because its ALWAYS been this good. Penetration + Glass Cannon = they die. This has never changed.

Lethality is still strictly worse than armor penetration. It's better to maximize what your items have to offer rather than this stupid 'rush eon and duskblade' build that wastes a shit ton of item stats just for that instant 15 armor pen.

Whoopdy doo.

All I have to do is spend 300g for a cloth armor. Hell, even just START the game with a cloth armor. And I'm fine.

Oh you built some really dumb tear + eon varus build? You now have literally nothing to offer the fight after pressing Q. Your auto attacks do nothing, you didnt build attack speed. It's still better to go Runaans + IE.

Lets take Duskblade for example.

65 attack damage. Ok. Lethality. Ok. 20 movespeed out of combat. Most people who think lethality is godlike are gold and below, and odds are they have no idea how to rotate. They wont make good use of this. True damage on hit. They arent gonna proc this like, ever.

You waste like 600g by buying this item.

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TheFallenShaw2 votes

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But Lethality is not nearly as good as you guys think.

You waste a lot of the stats on the item for like, a measly 15 armor pen?

The reason armor pen is good is because its ALWAYS been this good. Penetration + Glass Cannon = they die. This has never changed.

Lethality is still strictly worse than armor penetration. It's better to maximize what your items have to offer rather than this stupid 'rush eon and duskblade' build that wastes a shit ton of item stats just for that instant 15 armor pen.

Whoopdy doo.

All I have to do is spend 300g for a cloth armor. Hell, even just START the game with a cloth armor. And I'm fine.

Oh you built some really dumb tear + eon varus build? You now have literally nothing to offer the fight after pressing Q. Your auto attacks do nothing, you didnt build attack speed. It's still better to go Runaans + IE.

Lets take Duskblade for example.

65 attack damage. Ok. Lethality. Ok. 20 movespeed out of combat. Most people who think lethality is godlike are gold and below, and odds are they have no idea how to rotate. They wont make good use of this. True damage on hit. They arent gonna proc this like, ever.

You waste like 600g by buying this item.

Few things wrong with your post..... 8 points.

1st you forgot duskblades passive. 2nd As isnt for everyone, esp duskblade users who generally are looking for burst 3rd Lethality is better than AS for burst. 4th You can't build penitration anymore its Lethality now. So theres nothing to compare. 5th You dont burst tanks or rather not suppose to... so they wouldnt have alot of armor so that 1 cloth isnt the problem. 6th varus Q scales off AD not AS so his poke is weak if you dont rush a high ad item. and while duskblade is good item 3142 and even item 3814 or item 3072 are better. 7th What rank are you not to know this? you insulted gold and below which finally leads to the last point 8th even a Bronze 4 knows this.

Rank doesn't = game knowledge. Though in your case IQ seems to be a limited factor trying to compare a stat that doesn't exist on items anymore and can only be gotten threw masterys. Also naming a adc role, and talking about you starting cloth. I wish you fucking would play adc and start cloth. Let me play you in that game. please. ADC does not build armor or Mr if they do its late game. What they do build are 3 main stats AS AD and Lethality. All adc champion have slightly different builds depending on their kit. Kogs/ twitch mainly go AS while a Varus adds more AD to his build as he has some really good poke. Why you got a bronze 4 playering having to give u a lecture idk.

Hibeki1 votes

Jesus where do I even begin

No, I didn't forget duskblade passive. Read the post.

Duskblade is a great item. On assassins. Not adc's. Which was the aim of the post.

Lethality and Attack speed both have absolutely nothing to do with burst on an adc. Most of the ones people are complaining about have high consistent damage output regardless of their Attack speed and Lethality (Jhin, Miss Fortune, etc.)

Lethality IS penetration. Lethality gives 60% of the value AS ARMOR PENETRATION immediately.

"You dont burst tanks or rather not suppose to, so they wouldnt have alot of armor so that 1 cloth isn't the problem"......what?

Varus Q does scale off of AD you are correct. But whats to stop me from all inning him after it goes on cooldown because they didnt build any sort of attack speed or cdr, he basically has nothing to fight back with.

And yes, Rank = Game knowledge. This is why challenger tier players have a much better grasp on the game than a bronze player does. If you have better game knowledge than your elo, you wont stay in it. But go ahead. Go believe you have more knowledge than Doublelift or Dyrus.

People complain about varus poke and then dont realize that this new build gives him absolutely nothing but that 10 second cooldown poke, whereas a normal varus build still has that poke but has literally no cooldown. And I mean literally. 40% CDR varus means that when he fires its off cooldown already.

TheFallenShaw2 votes

What stops you from going all in on varus after is poke alot actually

1st range : you try to go all in him, he slows and damages you while he retreats. Nothing gained there.

2nd minion damage agro. if you go all in and there are minion which their prob will be early game as, clearing waves takes time. you take agro. I say early game bc 1 item is useally early.

3rd his support might have cc, or have it all, looking at u Soraka. where he gets healed you get slowed damaged and stunned. which case even with support you just lost that trade with your chunked hp u all ined with.

4th if 6 onward your screwed bc he'll R aa aa poke again aa e you. Your dead now btw.

Varus only suffers from lack of mobility but he can do a shit ton to you.

While a challenger player might know more than a bronze, you didnt state this was an adc post origionally. hell varus wasnt mentioned till well into it. So i took it as general. Still you did post the whole passive just part of it. And your wrong using the bushes in lane its easy to proc. unseen for 1 second the next autoattack deals blah blah. walk in and out a bush and aa bam it just proc,ed

TheFallenShaw1 votes

but no i dont believe its the best item. edge of nights shield seems much more useful and so does item 3142 for the active movespeed on a very immobile varus. it will allow escapes while providing the damage and pen he needs.

Omen461 votes

duskblade has always been a good damage dealer and has movement speed bonus. still a good item but i will admit it is not godlike. will hit pretty hard all the same.

Hibeki1 votes

Not nearly as useful as pretty much any other AD item

And the movement speed bonus is out of combat only, and since people dont rotate this low elo all it serves is an extra second in lane from base

Omen461 votes

65 ad is nothing to laugh at or dismiss. It's pretty high up there and I will admit it's not the highest pure ad there is but it is some heavy ad, with lethality, and ward detection, and out of combat movement speed, which i feel helps in escapes for my personal justification of it.

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