being a jungle main is more frustrating than it's worth

The Bard Dog··8 votes·2,645 views

in low elo its a nightmare.

mid- ganks please doesn't ward, and pushes lane out, then gets ganked "wtf jungle help me out you suck. wow bad jungle gg"

bot lane- ganks please doesn't ward, clear wards, pushes lane, and doesn't commit when i do come to gank "wow fuckin bad jungle why would i go into that fight thx for feeding my lane report this jungle"

top lane- ganks please actually lets enemy laner push, saves cc and ult for when i come to gank gj jungle

28 Comments

IcyPepper13 votes

Personally, I enjoy it. I feel like I have a lot more influence than laning.

My favorite trick is to purposely give my laner first blood or a kill (making it really obvious it was handed to them, despite me being able to take it myself), drop a ward for them here and there, and dropping everything the second they ask for help. If they ping for assistance, I ping I'm coming immediately.

Once I've proven I'm competent and have their back, they tend to trust me. They follow up when I initiate (oh god it's so nice when they do that), they leave lane to help secure objectives when I need help, and the best part is this: if I get invaded (we know because I ward a lot), and I ping for help... they come immediately and save my ass.

The trick is changing their mentality by showing you can be trusted. I'm not jungling to carry my team, I'm jungling to make sure we can carry each other.

LogJammin3 votes

This guy gets it

Kaxi1 votes

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Personally, I enjoy it. I feel like I have a lot more influence than laning.

My favorite trick is to purposely give my laner first blood or a kill (making it really obvious it was handed to them, despite me being able to take it myself), drop a ward for them here and there, and dropping everything the second they ask for help. If they ping for assistance, I ping I'm coming immediately.

Once I've proven I'm competent and have their back, they tend to trust me. They follow up when I initiate (oh god it's so nice when they do that), they leave lane to help secure objectives when I need help, and the best part is this: if I get invaded (we know because I ward a lot), and I ping for help... they come immediately and save my ass.

The trick is changing their mentality by showing you can be trusted. I'm not jungling to carry my team, I'm jungling to make sure we can carry each other.

This guy gets it. I've got some tricks of my own to allow my allies to trust me, but most of the time I worry about vision control and objective control. Ganks are cool but only if they really result in a serious advantage like a free objective. Throwing everything at a lane just for a two-for-three isn't exactly helping. It's much better in the long run to force the enemies to go back (not dying for a kill) while taking a tower/dragon.

3tyson2 votes

Go do something else if your getting frustrates your not having fun

TenkuX2 votes

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Go do something else if your getting frustrates your not having fun

Agreed. This game is not worth the time.

The Bard Dog6 votes

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Go do something else if your getting frustrates your not having fun

i like jungle when it works out. but right now i have a bard following me through jungle telling enemy team where i am and what my health is at. oh but i can't afk or i get reported. and enemy team is so grateful our bard is helping him they're not gonna report.

3tyson3 votes

Im gonne try comming up with a solution once im done laughing

The Bard Dog4 votes

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Im gonne try comming up with a solution once im done laughing

its ok im just tabbed out watching a movie. i don't care anymore.

3tyson1 votes

What jungler u like i main jg to im usualy having fun even when losing

The Bard Dog1 votes

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What jungler u like i main jg to im usualy having fun even when losing

sejuani, volibear, riven, diana, lee for the most part in that order.

im worried though, because new jungle made sej so strong they're gonna nerf her into the ground.

3tyson1 votes

Ive recently started playing amumu hes kind of fun i dont really play anny of those junglers

GundayMonday1 votes

They need to nerf the new item. Seju is fine as is.

3tyson1 votes

Im gonne try comming up with a solution once im done laughing

ok dude got it dodge games with bard

paShadoWn2 votes

Move chat window down. The highest insult to your enemies is to ignore them.

Rebel Xayah2 votes

There's also the mute button

Its All Skillzz2 votes

I flash R jinx as warwick eating exhaust an all the enemy cc hit jinx to 100 hp and get blown up, meanwhile my adc/mid are sitting around doing nothing..... got 2 adcs today who would not AA while i was tanking then they qq to you when you got a horrible score and sht lol

Linna Excel2 votes

What I hate is not getting a leash on a champ that needs one and ending up taking so long I find my red was stolen (no my team didn't watch for the invade)... then I get counter jungled all game because my team won't help me.

cookiesforu2 votes

Here's a few tips for jungle that I got from a challenger player who gave me a lesson and have put into practice. Don't focus as much on ganking your lanes and getting your lanes fed. The first thing you need to do is find out what side of the jungle and what buff the enemy jungler is starting. With this information you can provide your lanes with so much support and even call out where the enemy jungler is or probably is therefore warning your lane. If your lane ignores your information guess what? You know yourself where the enemy jungler is so why aren't you there to carry your teammates bad choices? Or at the very least to clean up the kills after they kill your lane.

Step 1: Deep ward around the 1 minute mark or 1:10 mark. Get a few teammate to help you. Are you red side? Get a ward at the krugs if you can or at red. You'll get more intuitive as you practice and learn more junglers routes. Are you blue side? Place the ward over the wall by the blue buff so that it illuminates both camps (gromp and blue) so you know which camp they are starting.

Step 2: Make a play because of your vision. Did you know most junglers are very low by their third camp and can be picked by you quite easily if you have the intuition and ability in your champions kit? You have to know your matchups, focus on beating the enemy jungler. You can carry the game quite easily if the enemy jungler is shut down. Are they gromp? Well blue is their next buff then probably wolves and you know wolves is camp 3 and they are probably wolves. You may be able to pick them or blow their flash there but you need to be aware of the mid laner and bot lane. Are they pushed? If they are pushing they will maybe rotate to you and kill you so maybe not a good idea. Is your lane pushing? Well they're probably preoccupied with early game farming so go for the kill at wolves and gtfo.

Step 3: Call out where you believe the enemy jungler is around in the chat. Tell your team the knowledge you have gained and use pings to show their movement. Say "sej was just at red buff, she's probably going to gank bot now" then head to bot and get ready to counter the gank. Counter ganking is fucking OP and they probably will never see it coming at low elo.

Step 4: Know your timers. Not just yours but your enemies too. Second round buffs is time to make plays. Is your blue spawning while you are playing red side? Do you know he started on his red side (coming from blue side of the map)? Well if your blue is up and he started red then guess what, his red is up. Tell your team, he's at red come with me to his red so we can win the game. Or "Who wants a free kill at sej's red?? Come now!" Ping like crazy.

Knowing where to ward is important as well. Watch some videos to find out the best spots for optimal vision. You know when you smite wolves how the orb sits in the middle of the 4-way intersection? There's a reason, that spot is fucking incredible to ward and you gain so much information from having a 4-way fork in the enemy jungle warded. Also, the bush behind the enemies red is a great spot for a pink ward, It could potentially last there all game since most people path through there assuming its safe barely paying attention.

Jungling is hard and getting blamed isn't fun, but it most likely is your fault because jungling is very easy way to carry low elo games. You probably need to work on your sense of jungling and intuition as well as communication. Are you constantly monitoring your lanes as you clear your jungle? OR are you spaced out on your jungle camps? The people in lane are your babies to protect and tehy make mistakes but you can make their mistakes less impactful by doing your job better. I suggest getting Vi any time she's not banned. Super easy to carry with. Panth is pretty decent and if you put in the time with lee sin you can snowball a game real easy but you have to know how to use your power and translate it into objectives.

IF you aren't getting objectives w/ your kills you are not carrying the game and not doing a good job in the jungle. Anyways, hope that helps you.

Meep Man1 votes

Then dont gank, farm jungle creeps, and then maybe counterjungle. I have never been in a match where my teammates complained as much as people say they do.

DragoonRuin2 votes

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Then dont gank, farm jungle creeps, and then maybe counterjungle. I have never been in a match where my teammates complained as much as people say they do.

Oh Lord, I have. The other day, I was jungling as Diana, our Top lane Lissandra went 0-7 in lane against a Tryndamere and lost her turret FFS, before the 2nd Dragon ahs Spawned. And blamed it on me, because I didn't get the first Dragon.

shadecrapper1 votes

As a jungler were supposed to help with vision control and knowing where the enemy jungler is, so if someone gets ganked it's partly our fault. Buy wards and warn if you think the enemy jungler is in the area. But if your laners keep over extending/dying and they blame you, just ignore them or tell them to stop over extending. Try and carry the game as best you can.

Dreadlocks1 votes

I almost never gank a losing lane anymore. If there is 1 thing i learned.. its better to have 2 people snowballing than to try and balance a losing lane.

Not to say you shouldn't gank a losing lane, because I have turned them around before, but if they're legit FEEDING, your gank will just be a HIGH risk (3 ppl feeding) LOW reward.

The White Plague1 votes

Dude stfu Riot has been sucking us jungle mains dicks all season it's awesome, and this patch and next patch is a huge buff fest. All we've been getting is stronger. Amumu Volibear Udyr Nocturne Nautilus

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

You don't need top to be pushed to your side, you can set up counter ganks so easily on top and get your top a double kill though.

ShooterMcGav3n1 votes

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KING ATTILA1 votes

I just play Tryndamere jungle and win the game myself if my teammates are incompetent.

Phatdiamond1 votes

To the OP: At the first negative comment, mute that player. If they use profane language, report. This goes for anyone. Don't complain about toxicity. It will get you nowhere. You have a tool to use that gets rid of negativity. It's called mute. Use that tool.

I agree that these issues and comments are normal in low elo. Every lane who gets successfully ganked thinks it's the junglers fault because they didn't gank (successfully) as often as the enemy jungler. You can point out WARD as much as you want, they don't listen. This is why they're low elo.

My personal favorite is the guy who is 0-5 who complains I never ganked. I'm not ganking your lane if you're dead, and if I'm on the other end of the map when a gank happens, you're on your own. I also don't bother with losing lanes. It's better to get someone else fed or take objectives.

Bottom line is that low elo doesn't ward and doesn't keep an eye on the map anyway. They don't push for objectives and they don't close games. You can waste your time typing this out if you want to try to educate. Generally in ranked games I find that if you're typing (provided you're not waiting on a death timer) then you're not playing. I personally prefer to play and leave the talking for after the game, most of which just turns into a flame war, which I Don't engage in anyway.

Junglers get blamed for everything so.... get used to it. The best think I can say to the whiners is: main jungle for a while and see for yourself how it works. Sitting around in a bush for 5 minutes waiting for the perfect time to gank isn't how you do it.

BakedLotion1 votes

"gg the enemy jungler is doing so much better than you" Well I'm sorry you're not warding, constantly shoved to the turret, getting caught, and making stupid mistakes. And when I do help you, (which I will most likely regret) you just go farm your 3 minions because that's totally better than kills. But hey, you got your 3 CS and then you can say GG THIS JUNGLER NO ASSISTS OR HELP, WHY CANT WE HAVE THE OTHER JUNGLER

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