Take away the %AP ratio on enemies for his ultimate. Veigar mains have flat out said that Veigar isn't an anti-caster, so why does he have that on his ultimate still? It just seems to be a cheesy way to counterpick someone.
WorryWolfy4 votesI think veigar needs to be buffed because you can sometimes miss his W. Maybe make it Instant. You think he needs nerf but you don't realize he can sometimes miss his thing. ;)
Craft Zeppelin5 votesI think veigar needs to be buffed because you can sometimes miss his W. Maybe make it Instant. You think he needs nerf but you don't realize he can sometimes miss his thing. ;)
its meant to miss, just for your info.
Look3 votesI play a fair amount of veigar even before he was fotm. Although I agree that would be a good nerf that is one of the things that Riot was pretty firm on during his rework, since it's his most unique skill. I doubt they will remove that, but they may nerf it.
doubleguac2 votesPersonally, I don't think "unique-ness" is valuable in and of itself unless it creates unique play.
The target AP ratio on Veigar's ult doesn't create interesting new play or counterplay opportunities for veigar or his opponents. If you're playing Veigar, you have no control over what your opponent buys. If you're playing against Veigar as an AP carry, it's not as if you can "counterplay" him by refusing to build AP.
It barely influences the way Veigar plays, if at all. It's a minor incentive to target enemy casters, rather than ADs, but he should have more than enough burst to 100-0% a marksman or squishy AD assassin by late game.
His ult is a pretty boring skill. The target AP ratio doesn't make it any less boring. It just adds damage. I'm inclined to agree with OP. His R is "unique" but not in an interesting way. If Riot decides to nerf Veigar, this seems like a fine place to do it. Like I mentioned above, it's not like Veigar even needs the additional burst to 100-0% enemy casters late game.
xJLx MCHammer2 votesTake away the %AP ratio on enemies for his ultimate. Veigar mains have flat out said that Veigar isn't an anti-caster, so why does he have that on his ultimate still? It just seems to be a cheesy way to counterpick someone.
Or just make all his abilities skill shot
Remlap12234 votesSo, his ultimate then? Because all of his other abilities are skillshots.
Erockandroll5 votes[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RNMqzHPE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-08T05:51:51.677+0000)
Or just make all his abilities skill shot
dude, his ult it the only thing you don't have to aim.
work on your fancy feet.
Dunkrius2g1 votesThen it should automatically delete a champion and deal 100% maximum health in magic damage. Also, the R will automatically have 100% magic penetration when R is used. In compensation, his Ult's cd will be high. Mana cost will be increased
Slamurai Jack2 votesOr leave him alone since he already got nerfed and he's fine now.
Sneakyy XD1 votesVeigar doesn't beat mages, so let's take away something that helps him against mages.
That doesn't make any sense.
As for the actual change, what are you going to add to the ult? Are you just going to give it more base damage and scaling? It's already a very boring ultimate (aside from BIG DAMAGE), and taking away enemy scaling on it would make it even more so.
Remlap12231 votesFist, great job for being a boards stereotype and taking what I said completely out of context. Gives me more ammunition to rail against the hiveminding.
Second, he doesn't need compensation for that. He's not an anti caster, he's a mage with insane burst damage. The only thing his ultimate does is help him "win more" against Mages, and "win less" against AD champs. It's a cheesy way for him to get more stacks.
Count Zubat1 votesThe fact that Veigar can one shot any squishy champ, even AD ones shows that he doesn't need that scaling of enemy's AP, and it makes itemizing against Veigar as AP champion a pain in the ass. I agree, it can, or maybe even should be removed.
Cynika1 votesPersonally I never had an issue with veigar's burst, that's his thing. The thing I have an issue with is how insanely low the cd on his e is late game. That giant stun cage shouldn't be up as much as it is.
Remlap12231 votesI wouldn't say the fact that its up all the time, but the stun length also scales insanely well. A 2.5 second stun? I get that it doesn't do damage, but that's still annoying as fuck. If you get caught in a really bad position, you have to choose between getting W'd or stunned for 2.5 seconds.
Cynika1 votesI didn't say it's up all the time, but such a giant zoning tool shouldn't have such a low cd.