I'm sick of the hate when it comes to talking about Riven

melior sum··5 votes·1,490 views

SHE IS IN A SHIT SPOT

She no longer has lane priority until she hits level 3, and even then it's only if the enemy makes a mistake. When she hits level 6 it's the same thing, so don't tell me that "but riven is so broken when she pushes R and the user mashes there face on the keyboard", no, it's not fucking like that.

She can't constantly make trades in lane because she doesn't have any innate sustain which means she will lose lane if she keeps trading.

She gets run over in most matchups unless you have 100% complete innate knowledge of how much damage Riven can take, and how much she can dish out in extended/bursty engages. (When I say run over, I mean these champs: Darius (if he has a brain), Mundo, Renekton, Illaoi, Aatrox (if he has a brain), jax (used to be an even matchup or more toward Rivens favor but since the changes to everything, jax can just shit on her at more points than before), Kled, Trynd, Malphite, Voli (literally just runs Riven over).

Don't give me this stupid ass argument about a lot of super high elo Riven players, Boxbox barely plays Riven or at all anymore, Adrian Riven quit the game because he hated the state of the game and aspects of how Riven is suppose to play now, Dekar mainly plays Rengar and just jungles, and Viper is the only one who consistently gets extremely high on the ladder with Riven no matter what. The next thing I'm going to say goes for ANY high elo one trick, the reason they are high elo, is not just mechanics, but knowledge of the game. If you put them on any other champion respective to there roles, they would achieve the same spot in the ladder because of there KNOWLEDGE of the game.

Also, don't give me this argument that Rivens win rate is 50% and that's fine for a high skill ceiling high skill floor champion. Not for this one, if you took away all the hardcore Riven mains with 100s-1000s of games with a 55% win rate, you'd have an overall win rate of like 46-47%, maybe a little lower. If you don't know the ins and outs of Riven (Fast combo, animation cancelling, damage potential with the known 50+ combos), then you won't do well with her. She requires a shit ton of time to be even decent at.

She needs buffs, if she gets buffs, and she turns out to be overpower from whatever they gave her, THEN NERF HER, SHE WONT STAY BROKEN, but she needs help to not be trash tier

But I guess Riven mains should shut up because we got what, .3 per second HP regen? Great thanks, glad to know you've given me maybe an auto attacks worth of sustain in lane. That should fix everything.

14 Comments

AnAggravatedPimp5 votes

Shhhhhhhhh. Don't perpetuate the stereotype of angry Riven main.

I'm just happy I can play her again without getting camped or having to mute the entire enemy team because they taunt me all game to try to get the "toxic Riven" to rage quit

ZeroAgainst4 votes

riven bad?

winrate is at 50 http://na.op.gg/champion/riven/statistics/top

what

shes fine if anything lmao go look at ornn if u want shit

D357R0Y3R3 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/c62bc66eee14e4ea6c6ae566132651ec.png so this is the definition of being trash tier?

melior sum1 votes

what is this a link to

DW Diana2 votes

lol, dude I'm a Malzahar main... I know your pain all too well lol

melior sum2 votes

There's a difference between Malzahar and Riven, Malzahar has thousands of times more utility than Riven will ever have. You're forcing at least 2 or 3 people to buy a 1300G item, or die. You have an AoE silence that you can cast from a safe distance, and you can completely ignore laning phase if you want with your DoT.

DW Diana3 votes

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There's a difference between Malzahar and Riven, Malzahar has thousands of times more utility than Riven will ever have. You're forcing at least 2 or 3 people to buy a 1300G item, or die. You have an AoE silence that you can cast from a safe distance, and you can completely ignore laning phase if you want with your DoT.

And Riven has move mobility then almost anyone, 3 abilities in 1, several forms of CC, a shield, an AOE ult that literally 1 shots squishes, and an several AA resets.

The similarity is they have relatively good winrates while being effectively nerfed to hell champions. No one plays them except those that can make them work, which is why they still have a good winrate, but they are nonetheless in a bad spot right now.

melior sum2 votes

More mobility than almost everyone? I fucking hate that defense, it's actually so empty.

Do you realize the amount of mobility creep that's been put into the game since earlier seasons? Yeah sure, Rivens mobility in her kit was unique up until like season 6, and then it's not that big of a deal. Shit, fucking Renekton covers more ground than Rivens QEQQ except it's on a longer CD.

You also realize, when a Riven uses her abilities as "Mobility" to get to you, she's sacrificing damage. She can no longer use them when she gets to you unless she's as 40% CDR and can ability manage properly. For instance, if a Riven is chasing down an ADC, and she has to use EQQ to get there, and then the third Q to land on the ADC, she is now just a glorified auto attack bot until her Q comes back up again. What in the fuck is unique about that disadvantage?

Edit: And, Malz is played competitively for the insane utility that he has, when was the last time Riven was played competitively? Oh right, Khan in LCK like 5 months ago, and the only reason he won and got a penta was because the enemy didn't know the limits of Riven

DW Diana3 votes

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More mobility than almost everyone? I fucking hate that defense, it's actually so empty.

Do you realize the amount of mobility creep that's been put into the game since earlier seasons? Yeah sure, Rivens mobility in her kit was unique up until like season 6, and then it's not that big of a deal. Shit, fucking Renekton covers more ground than Rivens QEQQ except it's on a longer CD.

It's still more then most, and therefore a valid advantage to her.

You also realize, when a Riven uses her abilities as "Mobility" to get to you, she's sacrificing damage. She can no longer use them when she gets to you unless she's as 40% CDR and can ability manage properly. For instance, if a Riven is chasing down an ADC, and she has to use EQQ to get there, and then the third Q to land on the ADC, she is now just a glorified auto attack bot until her Q comes back up again. What in the fuck is unique about that disadvantage?

You mean now she has to press R and 1 shot them right? I mean thats pretty much it. Afterall Malzahar's ult is an auto kill... Yeah you've converted me... Leave Riven as is. Afterall if you can be as angry yet ignorant as this, then it just explains why both out champions are in the dirt lol.

melior sum3 votes

I'm sorry what, push R and one shot? What fucking Elo are you in that a Gold 3 Riven main is smurfing in your Elo that builds full lethality, come out of a bush, AAs you then Rs you and you die from electrocute? That's not how shit works above an Elo with a brain

murderess2 votes

Honestly, considering how the community is going to cry for nerfs if Riven is even remotely on the strong side I am actually fine with how strong Riven is right now.

HOWEVER, if tanks are coming back (as in: dominate top again, they are already perfectly viable) then I'm going to be salty too.

feintfiend1 votes

If high elo Riven onetricks already consistently win with her what's gonna happen when she gets buffed? Sure worse Rivens will do better but than Riven would become busted at higher elos

melior sum2 votes

Why isn't that argument put forth for any other champion mains. What about the constant buffing to Yasuo? Kindred? SAME FUCKING THING, yet for some reason it's different for Riven

Ragnaveil1 votes

"Riven's in a super trash spot, plz buff her" Yet I dont hear any of the notable Riven mains speaking that tune. Don't compare Yas to Riven in anything related to winrate. Let me tell you why. They. Are. Polar. Opposites. Yas is good in low elo, but as experience goes up by tier, his winrate drops. Ex (without the acutal numbers, but close or maybe exact) ~50% in Gold 5 and below, 45% in Diamond or higher. Riven is terrible in low elo, but as experience goes up by tier, her winrate INCREASES. ~46% in Gold 5 and below, 50% in Diamond or higher.

People like you who try to pawn off different champ styles as an argument (IE complaining about Yas and trying to say Riven deserves buffs because she isn't Yasuo or Kindred)(Your argument pretty much sounds like that to me) shouldn't consider calling themselves "mains" of hers. People like you are Students, not Masters. Oh, and if we gave you free sustain like a bruiser with built in LS or like a tank, everyone would play her because she could trade constantly, and just heal it back up. Sounds familiar? Oh yeah, Aatrox.

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