There's almost no benefit to having first two picks in champ select

HateDaddy·Sep 22, 2016·70 votes·3,184 views

The only benefit is you can pick for a teammate but it's so rare that you get people to talk in champ select because everyone is a wannabe streamer and decides they'll go play another game while champ select is going on.

You always end up getting counterpicked, you don't even get a say in what's banned. Sure, you can ask but good luck because again, getting someone to be responsive in champ select is like pulling teeth. Honestly, top two picks should be awarded 1-2 more LP if they are queuing up solo. That might not seem like a lot but that LP does add-up, especially to help prevent dicking you over from the infamous 99LP.

I don't know, I don't have a viable answer but having first two picks sucks really bad right now. Have fun getting counterpicked in top and getting rolled if you're first two picks.

73 Comments

Rock MDSep 22, 201635 votes

Bottom 3 having bans was actually fair when they didn't have roles predetermined.

Now it's just more power to them.

Unstoppable MonkSep 22, 201616 votes

Make all 5 have bans, problem solved fam.

Count ZubatSep 22, 20163 votes

Who knows, maybe it will happen as soon as upcoming pre-season...

IGotScuttleCrabsSep 22, 20166 votes

There was word of 5 bans awhile back. Cross your fingers.

But on topic, I complained about this when it started as well as many others. Theres absolutely no reason to want first pick. Matter affect last pick is amazing. You get final say in a ban and you get to watch both team comps completely come together.

First pick? No bans. Counter picked. and its possible your team will completely ignore you pick and basically counter you as well. You picked Sejuani for some hard engage? Lol your team follows up with Caitlyn Janna Ziggs Ryze and are just looking to poke

Rock MDSep 22, 20163 votes

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There was word of 5 bans awhile back. Cross your fingers.

But on topic, I complained about this when it started as well as many others. Theres absolutely no reason to want first pick. Matter affect last pick is amazing. You get final say in a ban and you get to watch both team comps completely come together.

First pick? No bans. Counter picked. and its possible your team will completely ignore you pick and basically counter you as well. You picked for some hard engage? Lol your team follows up with and are just looking to poke

You're now disengage.

Also Ryze is a fantastic champion for engage with his new ult. You do know that, right?

Supreme Senpai69Sep 23, 20162 votes

Think it was just an example.

IGotScuttleCrabsSep 23, 20161 votes

Yea basically. The chances of Ryze using his ult for an amazing engage is like you adc grabbing the damn lantern to save their life or even someone hopping in Tahms ult for a great flank engage

Supreme Senpai69Sep 24, 20161 votes

Y'know I honestly thought ADCs not grabbing the lantern was just a meme until I started playing Threhs

theArtifactsSep 23, 20161 votes

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Matter affect last pick is amazing.

Sorry.. this made me lol a little.

"Matter of fact" FTFY

IGotScuttleCrabsSep 23, 20161 votes

Whoops XD Wow how did I mess that up

DeathBot666Sep 22, 20163 votes

Riot has mentioned this a few times.

It would be nice not having to say "Hey, I'm first pick, please ban this hard counter of mine" and watch my team ban someone I counter just because he's "OP".

Sire HippingtonSep 23, 20161 votes

Not really, one ban is hardly enough to prevent getting counterpicked. The main issue isn't banneing, but how much impact pick/ban has on sololane matchups. This is also one of the reason why champs like Ekko are that popular and effective in all elos, they are generally save with no real counterpick, which is why they can be savely firstpicked. There are alot champs that can be very strong, but have heavy issues in the wrong matchup and thuse hardly see any play in higher elos....

AuroramancerSep 23, 20164 votes

Here's an example of the "almost" part of your title.

Being one of the first two picks means I get time to use the bathroom while ban phase is going on. :^)

Pls no hate

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20163 votes

you are right majority of the time i have 1st pick is when i get my primary role i chose ( adc/top) never when i get fill as support im usually last lol

HateDaddySep 22, 20164 votes

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you are right majority of the time i have 1st pick is when i get my primary role i chose ( adc/top) never when i get fill as support im usually last lol

I mean, even being counterpicked in bot lane sucks. Hell, if you pick a farm heavy jungler and their jungle gets to pick an aggressive counter jungler it sucks. Certainly it's less oppressive but still, what are the benefits to being first pick? At least you could control bans in champ select.

CatastropSep 22, 20162 votes

You talk like first and second picks are something that the average SoloQ players are meant to take advantage of.

HateDaddySep 22, 201611 votes

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You talk like first and second picks are something that the average SoloQ players are meant to take advantage of.

In solo lanes, it sucks when you get counter picked and it matters a lot actually. You basically have to depend on your jungler, especially in top lane if you get counterpicked. The nature of top lane is so punishing that being counterpicked is a huge deal.

SlythionSep 22, 20165 votes

top lane is a place that no one cares about unless you lose...and even then they only care about complaining and they can't be bothered to help ya (unlike mid/bot),

If you get counterpicked and can't do much for yourself top lane...well let's just say top laners have to learn how to be self reliant real fast to survive

HateDaddySep 22, 20162 votes

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top lane is a place that no one cares about unless you lose...and even then they only care about complaining and they can't be bothered to help ya (unlike mid/bot),

If you get counterpicked and can't do much for yourself top lane...well let's just say top laners have to learn how to be self reliant real fast to survive

yes it sucks and often times I just pick maokai when I'm first pick.

When they pick shit like Riven, Irelia and Darius, my dreams are crushed

Malicious MetalSep 22, 20164 votes

Well, good thing people don't know what to counter pick Morde with. Besides them not knowing where he'll be played.

The joys of having a flex pick as your main

YoungFarmerSep 22, 20161 votes

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Well, good thing people don't know what to counter pick Morde with. Besides them not knowing where he'll be played.

The joys of having a flex pick as your main

I feel like pantheon or renekton would be a good counter to mord top, from all the times I'v played him he seems to have a weaker early.

Malicious MetalSep 22, 20161 votes

Pantheon is an easy matchup as long as he doesn't take ignite. Just E every attempt at him Q'ing me and watch him drain his mana while I remain perfectly healthy.

Renekton's not that hard either, very easy to outscale too

PermabannedGarenSep 22, 20161 votes

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Pantheon is an easy matchup as long as he doesn't take ignite. Just E every attempt at him Q'ing me and watch him drain his mana while I remain perfectly healthy.

Renekton's not that hard either, very easy to outscale too

Is there any non-juggernaut melee champion that Mordekaiser doesn't have an easy time with in lane, not counting jungle interference? I've never taken Mordekaiser top against a melee champ and thought "Man this shit is hard".

Malicious MetalSep 22, 20163 votes

Darius Can give him a hard time Illaoi Too

But seeing that you want to know any non Juggernauts

Chogath Can't be poked down efficiently, Silence and knock screw Morde over big time Irelia Hit or miss, either you get dominated by her or the other way around, usually the latter though Jax He'll fck Morde up. Literally one of the hardest lanes I've ever gotten Tryndamere He'll bend Morde over with free crits and turn Morde's shitty 20 base armor to shreds Olaf Same as Trynda in the sense that he's going to be able to kill Morde very easily from levels one to maybe 9 MonkeyKing If he's aggressive early he'll wipe the floor with Morde

HateDaddySep 22, 20161 votes

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Can give him a hard time Too

But seeing that you want to know any non Juggernauts

Can't be poked down efficiently, Silence and knock screw Morde over big time Hit or miss, either you get dominated by her or the other way around, usually the latter though He'll fck Morde up. Literally one of the hardest lanes I've ever gotten He'll bend Morde over with free crits and turn Morde's shitty 20 base armor to shreds Same as Trynda in the sense that he's going to be able to kill Morde very easily from levels one to maybe 9 If he's aggressive early he'll wipe the floor with Morde

How helpless do you feel vs a Nasus lol. I've played this lane twice and it was kinda annoying early but then I completed Spirit Visage + sheen and got 2 points in wither and I could've sworn he was healing me

Malicious MetalSep 22, 20161 votes

Ungodly passive and boring, That's what that lane is.

Susan is an immovable object seeing that he'll just grab some early MR and can just go stack like he's got no care in the world. That AS slow on Wither is NASTY if you want to get the Q's off.

All in all one of my least favorite matchups. Not because I get destroyed or anything but because it's so boring and just gets decided by the rest of the team while the two Juggernauts have a stalemate top lane.

PermabannedGarenSep 22, 20161 votes

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Can give him a hard time Too

But seeing that you want to know any non Juggernauts

Can't be poked down efficiently, Silence and knock screw Morde over big time Hit or miss, either you get dominated by her or the other way around, usually the latter though He'll fck Morde up. Literally one of the hardest lanes I've ever gotten He'll bend Morde over with free crits and turn Morde's shitty 20 base armor to shreds Same as Trynda in the sense that he's going to be able to kill Morde very easily from levels one to maybe 9 If he's aggressive early he'll wipe the floor with Morde

I mained Cho mid last season and tbh I just don't even think of him as a melee champion so it didn't even occur to me that he technically qualified lol.

While Mordekaiser is probably subject to being cheesed by Tryndamere at level 2 if he's not careful (everyone is, even guys like Darius), is Tryndamere really a hard match-up? He's so predictable and has to eat your harass for free. And if you rush sunfire cape (like I do) you will have the armour to fuck him. Though I can't imagine even a Mordekaiser who is building to counter Tryndamere can 1v1 him at a certain point.

And Jax? Really? I've done that lane once and it was honestly one of the easiest of my life. I guess you could suggest that the Jax was bad, but fact of the matter is that I out-damaged him purely stat-wise and out-tanked him. I even disrespected him by taking scaling MR (because fuck his W and ult passive) instead of flat. I think this might have also been the game I accidentally took Strength of the Ages. How can he respond to your harass without sheepishly taking it or getting zoned, especially given that his E has a much longer cooldown than any of your abilities?

HateDaddySep 22, 20161 votes

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Is there any non-juggernaut melee champion that Mordekaiser doesn't have an easy time with in lane, not counting jungle interference? I've never taken Mordekaiser top against a melee champ and thought "Man this shit is hard".

Jax beats Morde if you play it properly. Morde is forced to push and use his W/E otherwise his shield won't be up and his sustain will be down. If you jump on him while his W is down as Jax and save your E for when Morde looks to hit you with his Qs, you straight up just out DPS him. And if Morde gets behind, you'll beat Morde with item 3078 item 3146 because people always underestimate how much burst Jax does to squishy champions

YoungFarmerSep 23, 20161 votes

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Pantheon is an easy matchup as long as he doesn't take ignite. Just E every attempt at him Q'ing me and watch him drain his mana while I remain perfectly healthy.

Renekton's not that hard either, very easy to outscale too

Perhaps quinn top then, or graves, i feel like graves would suck.

It Hertz When IPSep 22, 20164 votes

I can assure you, even down in bronze-level MMR, counterpicking happens more often than I'd like.

AstôlfoSep 22, 20162 votes

"hurdur but yu can pik fr33lo"

Except there are almost no said freelo champs in the first place, and if you really hate them, just ban them first.

Spaceman5pffSep 30, 20161 votes

So why is Graves such a problem for you then? Just ban him! [slayer-jinx-catface]

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Do you have nothing better to do than stalk me back through posts over a week old? Or are you just that salty and childish?

He's not freelo, he's just overloaded and a pain in the ass to play against, thus irritating and unfun.

Spaceman5pffSep 30, 20161 votes

I mean right now? I could probably come up with something better to do but I am getting a good laugh out of stalking ur post history for all the shit you post that COMPLETELY contradicts your stance on graves.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

mmk bud. keep crying. The immaturity is hilarious.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 22, 20162 votes

I wouldn't have a problem with being firstpick if i wouldn't get it literally all the time. I can count the times i've been last three pick on one hand actually. I usually go mid/top or top/mid. Sometimes when i'm in the mood i take bot too. And it seems that top/mid are way more often one of the first two picks than the other roles (but maybe i'm biased in that regard) which kinda sucks since getting counterpicked in top or mid means instant loss most of the times especially in diamond when you face an OTP like every second game who exactly knows the champ you picked well.

YOU LOST LMAOSep 22, 20162 votes

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because everyone is a wannabe streamer and decides they'll go play another game while champ select is going on.

wtf you mean wanna be streamer you bronze ashe scrub kiddo 15 year old immature kid.

I browse the forums here while waiting for q / champ select.

think before you speak on about racist issues kid.

HateDaddySep 22, 20162 votes

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because everyone is a wannabe streamer and decides they&#039;ll go play another game while champ select is going on.

wtf you mean wanna be streamer you bronze ashe scrub kiddo 15 year old immature kid.

I browse the forums here while waiting for q / champ select.

think before you speak on about racist issues kid.

lmao

SlythionSep 22, 20161 votes

...your name though xD

NineTailedMysticSep 22, 20161 votes

I've been almost always asking my fp to pick me my champ since she's been getting more popular than usual and they almost always comply. Some people even go out of their way to do a 3 way trade when one of us doesn't own the others champ. I do agree that the drafting phase needs some work, and a temporary bandaid solution would be to move last picks ban to first picks so they can ban their counter.

notice me Sin piSep 22, 20164 votes

i find triangular trading too hard to coordinate within the limited time frame in champ select

rtbf225618241Sep 22, 20161 votes

Well all 5 will have bans soon in a matter of months. You'll be fine 'til then.

HateDaddySep 22, 20162 votes

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Well all 5 will have bans soon in a matter of months. You'll be fine 'til then.

Has that actually been confirmed though? All I've heard is riot is looking into the possibility of doing it, I've yet to see them confirm it

rtbf225618241Sep 23, 20161 votes

It's pretty much confirmed. I'd be pretty damn surprised if they changed it at the last minute.

RaiyzaSep 23, 20161 votes

Didn't read the first pages but...

A good use of the first picks is flex picking. You first pick Sona, you know right away what's going on. If you first pick Fizz, the enemy wont really know where you're going. Fizz can top, mid, and jg. Same thing with riven, panth, etc.

You can also ask your team to switch lanes or roles if you get hard countered. Lissandra makes a good support.

Supreme Senpai69Sep 23, 20162 votes

When I'm first pick and I want to play something like Veigar support, I'll hover LeBlanc then Ahri then lock Veigar. That way the enemy team tries to counter Veiger and our mid laner can be safe or try to see that coming and counter that counter. The mid laners on my team don't usually see what I'm doing but still worth a try.

SwaidSep 23, 20161 votes

This is the same reason while I say I main Singed, I play Dr. Mundo more.

Singed has some pretty heavy counters, largely Gnar, who I despise to fight against even if I can out perform one in lane with enough savvy tactical decisions. Dr. Mundo on the otherhand is a very safe pick and doesn't necessarily get countered (except by picking Ignite, but a savvy Dr. Mundo won't use his ultimate in the middle of an early fight when the enemy's Ignite not on cooldown.)

Sisters10086Sep 23, 20161 votes

UMM I don't really care as an Irelia main as long as she doesn't get picked or banned... I play her into panth or renekton or malph and I will still be fine:)

Kitty ClarissaSep 23, 20161 votes

i dont like 1st picking Sona at all since they can just start picking tanky CC comps vs me which is why i played more Zyra since at least i can kite them around but again i play Karma top lane and they expect me support so its better on my end that they pick a melee vs me so i can bully them but normally 1st pick i just pick more CC based mages

ZerglingOneSep 30, 20161 votes

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The only benefit is you can pick for a teammate but it's so rare that you get people to talk in champ select because everyone is a wannabe streamer and decides they'll go play another game while champ select is going on.

You always end up getting counterpicked, you don't even get a say in what's banned. Sure, you can ask but good luck because again, getting someone to be responsive in champ select is like pulling teeth. Honestly, top two picks should be awarded 1-2 more LP if they are queuing up solo. That might not seem like a lot but that LP does add-up, especially to help prevent dicking you over from the infamous 99LP.

I don't know, I don't have a viable answer but having first two picks sucks really bad right now. Have fun getting counterpicked in top and getting rolled if you're first two picks.

This is why I play Cho so much. He doesn't have any actual counters and in 8/10 games I'm first or 2nd pick top.

No one actually counters him, so he's always a safe pick.

Edit: woah, got a necro thread on accident.