Sightstone replacement feels bad

maliohammad·Jan 26, 2018·4 votes·1,091 views

Hello, I am not talking about why I dislike the change in general, but rather a problem that makes it even worse. With the new change you won't get your wards until you finish the quest, a lot of the time I get to base and buy the full item (last upgrade) before I even finish the quest, which in turn means that when I get to lane a few minutes later I will get 1 ward only, even though I have spent more gold than the other sup for that upgrade, which forces me to go to base in order to get my full wards.

IMO it should be 1 ward if you didn't buy full sup item and full wards if you bought the final sup item to make it more fair to play and rewarding investments in vision without forcing me to go base when it is not good to do that.

What do you think about that as sup players/mains?

14 Comments

KrigjerJan 26, 20182 votes

Why am I being forced to get wards only after a certain time?

If my teammates and I do well in lane and I'm able to buy a Sightstone within a couple minutes, that's my prerogative. Why can I only get reliable wards once I complete a quest, a quest which everyone will complete at different times depending on the situation in lane?

I'm just getting really tired of feeling like playstyles are being forced upon me. The illusion of choice is being really prevalent.

WráthfulJan 26, 20181 votes

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Why am I being forced to get wards only after a certain time?

If my teammates and I do well in lane and I'm able to buy a Sightstone within a couple minutes, that's my prerogative. Why can I only get reliable wards once I complete a quest, a quest which everyone will complete at different times depending on the situation in lane?

I'm just getting really tired of feeling like playstyles are being forced upon me. The illusion of choice is being really prevalent.

they saved u some money from sighstone and ruby sighstone ppl like to overreact 500 g with the supp item is nothing when it has the bandit passive. u get sighstone in 5-7mins. this was made because supports liked to go protobelt / iceborn completely ignoring vision for their selfish reasonings.

KrigjerJan 26, 20182 votes

this was made because supports liked to go protobelt / iceborn completely ignoring vision for their selfish reasonings.

No. 'Supports' were ignoring vision.

True supports know when to rush Sightstone.

'Supports' also purchase Frost Queen (if they get a gold generation item at all) for spookie ghosties, since it's a great item for chasing down targets. Since the spooky ghost passive is getting removed and placed onto different items, they probably won't buy Frost Queen anymore. Therefore no automatically upgrading Sightstone. See the problem?

WráthfulJan 26, 20181 votes

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No. 'Supports' were ignoring vision.

True supports know when to rush Sightstone.

'Supports' also purchase Frost Queen (if they get a gold generation item at all) for spookie ghosties, since it's a great item for chasing down targets. Since the spooky ghost passive is getting removed and placed onto different items, they probably won't buy Frost Queen anymore. Therefore no automatically upgrading Sightstone. See the problem?

also to stop ppl abusing support items in other roles.

maliohammadJan 26, 20181 votes

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they saved u some money from sighstone and ruby sighstone ppl like to overreact 500 g with the supp item is nothing when it has the bandit passive. u get sighstone in 5-7mins. this was made because supports liked to go protobelt / iceborn completely ignoring vision for their selfish reasonings.

try to play a relic shield sup with your adc using all of his aoe to clear the wave(sivir) then you can't get ss before 10-15 min, which is so bad. and true sups loved the old items, only bronze 5 sups wanted them to go so they can build full ap....

WráthfulJan 26, 20181 votes

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try to play a relic shield sup with your adc using all of his aoe to clear the wave(sivir) then you can't get ss before 10-15 min, which is so bad. and true sups loved the old items, only bronze 5 sups wanted them to go so they can build full ap....

u sound like sivir starts the game with IE + Stattik :D now u stopped giving out arguments 10-15 min to get 500 g a=with supp item that has built-in bandit passive. also ppl ignoring sighstone is a problem in silver - mid plat they didnt'understand how important vision is. gonna stop comment no point arguing with someone overreacting.

maliohammadJan 26, 20181 votes

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u sound like sivir starts the game with IE + Stattik :D now u stopped giving out arguments 10-15 min to get 500 g a=with supp item that has built-in bandit passive. also ppl ignoring sighstone is a problem in silver - mid plat they didnt'understand how important vision is. gonna stop comment no point arguing with someone overreacting.

She didn't has those items, but her Q W are more than enough... and why do you get hurt like that? you won't understand this unless you main support, many supports value vision and this change hurt them. You even make bandit passive seems like a god send, it is only 1 gold per minions and some gold if you hit the enemy (hint: not all matchups can proc it without losing half of your hp) What can fix this is make you get the wards instantly if you bought the full item

Edit: Oh now I see, you main mid and jungle, which both benefit from lack of vision to help them roam/gank...

DoctorInjuJan 26, 20182 votes

Why would you remove flexibility from the least popular role? I love(d) playing all my AP supports with FQC and now I simply just can't.

"Oh, you have more gold now."

I had that from the enormous extra kill pressure that the FQC active offered me. I love playing Bard, so it was super helpful for landing picks with his ultimate. This stupid built-in crap was available before, but I never bought it because I hated it.

This is a horrible change to a role that is perpetually in need of love. If sightstone was the problem, allow supports to upgrade their trinkets an extra time or make the support items enhance the trinkets. If it ended up being problematic, you could tie them support items to having Exhaust (like the jungle items and smite).

Or--perish the thought--just remove Sightstone and buff everyone's trinkets. Finally remove from support the onus to be the group's primary provider of vision.

WráthfulJan 26, 20181 votes

my brain it hurts from all of that nonsense ppl getting mad that they gotta b and walk back to lane ROFL.

maliohammadJan 26, 20182 votes

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my brain it hurts from all of that nonsense ppl getting mad that they gotta b and walk back to lane ROFL.

It is not about being lazy, sometimes going to lane can cost you your tower, you adc getting killed or losing drake.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 26, 20181 votes

Tbh, it takes a really short time to compile the shortened 500 gold quests. Plus you don't have to waste another 800 gold like Sightstone does.

Maybe you're forced to recall to regain back 4 charges, sure. But you'll get to buy something extra like Boots instead of wasting a Sightstone build.

maliohammadJan 26, 20181 votes

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Tbh, it takes a really short time to compile the shortened 500 gold quests. Plus you don't have to waste another 800 gold like Sightstone does.

Maybe you're forced to recall to regain back 4 charges, sure. But you'll get to buy something extra like Boots instead of wasting a Sightstone build.

sightstone wasn't wasted on builds, on tank supports getting ruby ss was amazing for stacking hp, so you can go ruby ss, face of the mountain and build locket. Now they lost a lot of hp and one shield edit: Btw, the ward part of sightstone didn't cost you 800g, it only costed 400g (400 for 150 hp)