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Riot, how do you justify not ID-banning prominent streamers when they CLEARLY troll ON STREAM

ValyrianBlade··12 votes·3,058 views

Literally just watched trick2g ("CapitalizeR") on stream purposely leash Baron for the enemy team.

He was angered that his team, in a 4v2, peeled off of Baron to try to kill the two remaining enemies. In the process his jungler died, and the enemy jungler respawned. Trick teleported to Baron to try to resume with his team, who all pinged him off of it because the enemy had smite and they didn't.

Trick stayed on it. Kept fighting it. Literally said he hopes the enemy team steals it. The team backed out and he kept fighting it. The enemy team placed a ward (which went out due to control ward). Then they placed another. Then they came in as 3. His team tried to fight them to stop them getting to the pit, but it didn't matter. Enemy Talon jumped the wall and Nocturne secured Baron with smite, and Trick died.

Meanwhile he's chatting saying that if his team wants to make the game easier for the enemy team, he can do it to. He verbally admits that he purposely threw the game. He admits that he's not going to get off the Baron no matter what, actually saying he hopes they steal it, and continuously talks admitting that he trolled because he thinks what his teammates did was stupid and his trolling is "the same thing, just in a different way".

Like honestly, how does this shit not get the guy ID-banned?

He's teaching people that it's okay to troll and purposely lose games if you don't like how your allies played. What his allies did was make a mistake / make a play that he disagreed with. That's not against the rules - people aren't perfect and will sometimes make a suboptimal play. Their play still had merit (get 2 more kills in addition to a safer Baron due to an ace). Perhaps all 4 went after then each thinking that 2 of the others would have stayed behind. I don't know what they were thinking - but it's pretty clear that these 4 other players all wanted to win and were doing what they thought was the right play.

Trick on the other hand knowingly trolled. On a live stream. Showing thousands of players that it's acceptable behaviour.

Riot needs to take a stand against that kind of garbage. These kinds of players need to be banned, even if only to send a message to their viewers that the behavior is unacceptable.

24 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer7 votes

You don’t ID ban someone for a single offense. Or even a couple.

You do it when they have consistently showed that they don’t care about the rules, over and over and over again. Tyler1 had something like 19 banned accounts before he got ID banned.

zoliking2 votes

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You don’t ID ban someone for a single offense. Or even a couple.

You do it when they have consistently showed that they don’t care about the rules, over and over and over again. Tyler1 had something like 19 banned accounts before he got ID banned.

Makes sense, just a regular ban makes sense here.

ValyrianBlade5 votes

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You don’t ID ban someone for a single offense. Or even a couple.

You do it when they have consistently showed that they don’t care about the rules, over and over and over again. Tyler1 had something like 19 banned accounts before he got ID banned.

I may have given one example, but it's not like it's his first offense...

I agree with the argument that it takes multiple offenses, but also want to note that I'm focusing on streamers that are breaking rules on stream, and literally admitting to it on stream and acting like they're righteous and what they're doing is okay.

There needs to be a larger level of punishment for these kind of people, because their pull on the community is stronger. It makes other people think that kind of attitude is okay, when it absolutely is not.

The biggest problems with Smurfs is that they don't care about the smurf account. They'll break rules on their smurf account because their main account still gets its rewards. You just ban his smurf - he won't care. You ban his main, he may care a bit. He keeps doing it after you ban his main? You ban him permanently. That's just how I see it.

Making that kind of content is worse than the impact in that game - and thus the punishment should be too (not to mention the clear evidence).

DrCyanide2 votes

because their pull on the community is stronger.

Yes, and that's why Tyler1 got an ID ban, but it took a lot of him breaking the rules and encouraging his viewers to break the rules too.

Not saying it is any less frustrating, but they do have a higher threshold for ID bans. Considering it has to be manually enforced it isn't supposed to be a common type of ban.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

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Yes, and that's why Tyler1 got an ID ban, but it took a lot of him breaking the rules and encouraging his viewers to break the rules too.

Not saying it is any less frustrating, but they do have a higher threshold for ID bans. Considering it has to be manually enforced it isn't supposed to be a common type of ban.

It's also not physically possible. With streamers, they are out in the open but how are they going to ID ban a random unknown who have proven themselves to be banworthy over and over? How do you manually check the few million accounts in LoL to see whose account is linked to who?

giannishannibal2 votes

Even before Tyler 1, Rainman just had many game run down mid and talk shit years now, got plenty account banned but never an ID ban like tyler. So this Trick2g throw is a minor in conparison, he wont get banned.

Hügö1 votes

I think you should make a difference between a normal player and a popular streamer where a few thousand can see his trolling and immitate it in the games because "he did it too"

Róka1 votes

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You don’t ID ban someone for a single offense. Or even a couple.

You do it when they have consistently showed that they don’t care about the rules, over and over and over again. Tyler1 had something like 19 banned accounts before he got ID banned.

You obviously don't ever watch trick then. I've seen a lot of the shit he does.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

{quoted}

You don’t ID ban someone for a single offense. Or even a couple.

You do it when they have consistently showed that they don’t care about the rules, over and over and over again. Tyler1 had something like 19 banned accounts before he got ID banned.

Didnt he get unbanned?

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Un ID banned, yes.

Plat HardstuckXD5 votes

ID ban a guy cause he was tilted in one game and threw. Meanwhile players can intentionally feed and not even get a 14 day ban.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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ID ban a guy cause he was tilted in one game and threw. Meanwhile players can intentionally feed and not even get a 14 day ban.

It's something he does regularly. And he does it on stream to show thousands of people it's okay.

Just because I only happened to watch his stream once, doesn't mean he isn't known for it.

And at the end of the day - even if it was a first offense I would think it deserves a large punishment (not an ID ban on the first offense, but still an instant ban to the account).

An easy way to calculate it? Let each viewer on the stream count as a multiplier to the game's worth. You troll one game by yourself, that's 1 game. Unlikely to get you banned. You troll one game with 5000 viewers? Should equal 5000 games of trolling. Instant ban for sure. Or if you want to say the number of people affected in the first case is 10 (number of players in the game), then it's still 500x more people seeing it on his stream, so 500 games worth.

That's pretty simple logic.

Krully3 votes

because they're streaming league duh

BestPudgeNA3 votes

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Literally just watched Snip

Naming and shaming is against forum rules. Crazy someone can be a such a stickler for the rules when it comes to somebody else but not themselves.

Also making risky plays isn't against the rules.

Z3Sleeper3 votes

Naming and shaming doesn't apply to streamers. I'm not even joking, it's an actual exception to the rule.

The moderators have stated this before. If someone puts their name out there on media (basically is famous) it's okay to call them by name.

stargor2 votes

It wasn't a risky play tho, he PURPOSELY leashed the baron for the other team and ADMITTED that he was trollong.

ValyrianBlade2 votes

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Naming and shaming is against forum rules. Crazy someone can be a such a stickler for the rules when it comes to somebody else but not themselves.

Also making risky plays isn't against the rules.

You're wrong in your application of the rule here.

Naming and shaming doesn't apply to streamers. They voluntarily name themselves. There have been moderators that posted on this thread already and didn't complain about it if you need evidence to that fact.

Pika Fox2 votes

Sounds more like he started baron and his team went full boosted bonobo. Should he have stayed on it? No. But to call it "intentionally leashing for the enemy team" is nothing like what you just described.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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Sounds more like he started baron and his team went full boosted bonobo. Should he have stayed on it? No. But to call it "intentionally leashing for the enemy team" is nothing like what you just described.

Not at all. I mean, I was watching his stream (mostly because no one that I normally watch was streaming). He literally (and I'm using the word for it's real definition, not like one of those people that just throws it around) admitted multiple times that he did it because his team did something stupid that helped the enemy team, and he could do that job better than they could.

To give more detailed play by play of what happened.

  1. I started watching his stream.
  2. He was dead, all 4 of his allies alive. Enemy jungler was dead as well as 2 others, two alive. His 4 living teammates were on Baron.
  3. Enemy two living champions came to the Baron pit to start contesting Baron. His whole team stopped doing Baron and chased the two enemies. Yes, a stupid move (just ignore them and stay on Baron with smite) - but NOT inting or breaking the rules by any means.
  4. Baron hard-reset. Full health. Trick2g with 5 seconds on his respawn timer.
  5. Enemy Nocturne respawns. Allied Kha'zix dies while chasing enemies (may have died to enemy Nocturne ult, I don't remember).
  6. Trick2g respawns, as does rest of enemy team. Trick2g types "gg" in chat.
  7. Trick2g teleports to control ward in Baron pit.
  8. Trick2g starts attacking Baron. Team pings him off it and they leave towards blue buff. Trick2g is speaking on his stream about how he hopes enemy team steals this because his team was so dumb not to take it when it was free.
  9. Trick2g soloes Baron down to 9k health, enemy first ward comes in (brief vision then deactivates due to control ward). Trick continues to talk about how dumb his team was and he's going to show them how you "stay on Baron".
  10. Trick2g stays on Baron to 6k health, enemy second ward comes in (brief vision then deactivates due to control ward). Trick continues to say to his stream "see, this is how you stay on Baron. You ignore the enemy team and just keep attacking Baron" (I'm paraphrasing here, I don't remember his exact words).
  11. Allied team returns to river to try to fight enemy team now coming to Baron. Starts 2v2 skirmish in river.
  12. Baron down to 4k health, enemy Talon jumps over wall using parkour. Enemy Nocturne comes over wall (not sure if Blast cone or flash).
  13. They kill Udyr.
  14. They kill Baron.
  15. Trick2g rambles on over the next 5min about how if his team wants to help the enemy team, he can do it better than them. About how his team deserves to lose. About how is team is so dumb asking to 9x him for trolling, "if he's trolling then what are they? Stupid?" (hint: yes, they're probably stupid. He's playing on a smurf FFS. Of course he's going to be better than them. Shocking that low master or diamond or whatever rank players they were would be worse than a challenger player...). 15b - all while rambling he just basically went solo in bot lane the rest of the game to let himself die for free whenever the enemy team decided to go for him. He didn't team play for the remainder of the game.

Like I mean, it was clear as day. Dude lost on purpose because he wanted to teach his team a lesson.

XL BENCH PRESS1 votes

Don't forget Glacierr and his penchant for smurfing... all in the name of 'education'.

Resolution1 votes

Hey, if it's not a bannable offense to share/buy accounts when you're a streamer - what makes you think they'll be punished for trolling?

Sorry, there's a huge list of streamers and LCS players who all admit they buy new level 30's for ranked. Dozens of video references, yet almost nothing is done about it.

I've seen streamers say KYS, run down the lane and be playing the next day.

IOffMeta GtOvrIt1 votes

and that is why I have bestowed upon him a more fitting name: prick2g

SwiftKitten881 votes

i don't watch Trick2G, ( or t1 for that matter) but from what i see on youtube sites "machnima realm" and "synapse" he is a hell of a lot more toxic than T1 is..

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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i don't watch Trick2G, ( or t1 for that matter) but from what i see on youtube sites "machnima realm" and "synapse" he is a hell of a lot more toxic than T1 is..

I didn't watch him either due to his reputation. No one I regularly watched was online, and I figured what the hell, what could it hurt to see how someone makes Udyr work in the top lane so well.

Well, I didn't learn anything. Just saw a grown man act like a 5 year old.

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