Game is now more than ever about picking broken champs.

option paralysis·Apr 16, 2019·120 votes·20,856 views

Dmg is so high that you can't outplay broken champs anymore, because they literally have everything in their kits, they're tanky, they deal dmg, they have mobility, they have true dmg, they have healing, everything. Your macro knowledge doesn't matter, your csing doesn't matter, your pathing doesn't matter, just pick meta sht and not something you enjoy (which in 5 years of playing I will never understand), you can win most of the time.

You picked Riven because she's broken as hell and have DD black cleaver ? congrats you're a tank now that deals one shot dmg. I picked Wukong 'cuz he was my first champ ever and still enjoy playing him ? Good luck trying to even get 1 cs. I like playing Udyr but the enemy has reksai or hecarim or literally any champ with mobility ? Good luck getting anywhere near anyone.

And you can go on and on with that sht. You can lose against a whole division lower player, because he picked a champ that deals dmg in 0.5 secs and you didn't.

137 Comments

PrismalDawnApr 16, 201935 votes

Your macro knowledge doesn't matter, your csing doesn't matter, your pathing doesn't matter

This is true. Lol. Champions carry so much in their kit that it pretty much allows them to bypass the fundamentals of league. Level 1 Leblanc missed every single CS the first wave? That's okay, as soon as she hits level 2 she will just Q+W you and half your health is gone.

Handy Sandy Apr 16, 20197 votes

its always been like that. gold only affects your damage if you buy something which nobody does between lvl 1 and 2

RagnaveilApr 16, 20196 votes

Issue is, we practically spend free gold on stuff that ups our damage in the form of rune stats. Champions had their base values adjusted (in the most case) and some didn't, and most of the ones who didn't are reaping the damage rewards (Look at Jax and Riven, not weak early anymore despite historically being weak in the early game to make up for their late).

MrMittenzzzApr 18, 20191 votes

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This is true. Lol. Champions carry so much in their kit that it pretty much allows them to bypass the fundamentals of league. Level 1 Leblanc missed every single CS the first wave? That's okay, as soon as she hits level 2 she will just Q+W you and half your health is gone. except leblanc is garbage now

Syndra1ShotJFKApr 18, 20191 votes

Level 1 Leblanc missed every single CS the first wave? That's okay, as soon as she hits level 2 she will just Q+W you and half your health is gone.

Lol. Play Zed or Syndra into LB. Ez asf matchup. And second, you don't have to eat a Q W from leblanc. Make her choose between losing CS or QW you. And, her waveclear is complete shit. Continuously push the wave into, of course, you must adapt to circumstances with jungle pressure, etc.

IAmTheLegoApr 16, 201930 votes

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Abibyama IIApr 16, 201911 votes

Except this wasn't funny at all

IAmTheLegoApr 16, 20196 votes

[{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R8eRETEm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-16T10:43:49.580+0000)

Except this wasn't funny at all

Which part? The racist joke or the state of the game?

Cuz I find them both funny.

Abibyama IIApr 16, 20196 votes

It was a shit and overused "racist joke"

DontLewdOriannaApr 16, 20192 votes

It was pretty funny.

DisembarkApr 16, 20195 votes

Ofc you do. Doesn't matter. Your dumbass probably actually thinks that you are "more valuable" than a Chinese player.

But in Riot's eyes you are completely equal. They will take 2 Chinese players over you any day. So you can keep thinking that you hold some extra importance in this world, when in reality you really don't. Riot will keep catering to their biggest consumer, like any smart business.

People in the west are really coddled into thinking they are something special.

IAmTheLegoApr 16, 20192 votes

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Ofc you do. Doesn't matter. Your dumbass probably actually thinks that you are "more valuable" than a Chinese player.

But in Riot's eyes you are completely equal. They will take 2 Chinese players over you any day. So you can keep thinking that you hold some extra importance in this world, when in reality you really don't. Riot will keep catering to their biggest consumer, like any smart business.

People in the west are really coddled into thinking they are something special.

Dude, as long as our server is NA, EUW, EUNE, OCE and other non Asian servers, we are the least important. The game is owned by Tencent.

And the Asian servers have the fuckin privilege to afk, int, flame etc without any form of punishment.

Riot western company btw. Not anymore the second Tencent did their parasitic invasion.

DisembarkApr 16, 20191 votes

“Parasitic invasion”. Oh no. The game isn’t catered specifically to your interests. Boo hoo.

IAmTheLegoApr 16, 20193 votes

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“Parasitic invasion”. Oh no. The game isn’t catered specifically to your interests. Boo hoo.

No...the game is literally catered to the Asian servers and not the ENTIRE playerbase as a whole.

Nobody asked for high damage and fast paced games and 1 shot fiestas....

Abibyama IIApr 16, 20191 votes

Citation needed.

They are plenty of people who asked for this

IAmTheLegoApr 16, 20193 votes

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Citation needed.

They are plenty of people who asked for this

1 shot fiestas? Coin flips? Games decided before 15 min? Fast snowballing?

Yeah I'll tell you who wants that shit. An idiot who hates strategy and patience and proper thinking. That's who wants that.

Abibyama IIApr 16, 20191 votes

You're telling me that strategy doesn't exist? As if low elo ever gave a fuck about strategy lol

Wave manipulation, when to roam, when to take a lead, snowballing your lead, closing out your game, picking, knowing your matchups, gaining lane priority, invading, warding, taking objectives and using them at the right moment, deciding when to engage, peeling your carry and a lot more

All of these shit are strategy

If strategy doesn't exist then anyone can be in challenger

IAmTheLegoApr 16, 20193 votes

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You're telling me that strategy doesn't exist? As if low elo ever gave a fuck about strategy lol

Wave manipulation, when to roam, when to take a lead, snowballing your lead, closing out your game, picking, knowing your matchups, gaining lane priority, invading, warding, taking objectives and using them at the right moment, deciding when to engage, peeling your carry and a lot more

All of these shit are strategy

If strategy doesn't exist then anyone can be in challenger

Yet all this mean nothing since you can simply pick whatever is unbalanced and don't be a half brain dummy. These days it's just cheese strategies like Twitch and lulu or Taric and Yi. If these are strategy then I guess spamming "fuck you" to the enemy in order to tilt them and play poorly is also a strategy.

Even selecting champions that are useful was a strategy. Now just pick whatever is unbalanced at an unhealthy level and auto win. 140+ champions, and the game feels like there are only 30-40. When was the last time you've seen a Skarner? Or an Azir? Or Maokai? Or Ivern? Or even Rumble?

AeroWaffleApr 16, 20191 votes

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Yet all this mean nothing since you can simply pick whatever is unbalanced and don't be a half brain dummy. These days it's just cheese strategies like Twitch and lulu or Taric and Yi. If these are strategy then I guess spamming "fuck you" to the enemy in order to tilt them and play poorly is also a strategy.

Even selecting champions that are useful was a strategy. Now just pick whatever is unbalanced at an unhealthy level and auto win. 140+ champions, and the game feels like there are only 30-40. When was the last time you've seen a Skarner? Or an Azir? Or Maokai? Or Ivern? Or even Rumble?

What is the win rate of these "auto win" champions?

EonslegacyApr 16, 20193 votes

Kayle reach 60% winrate a patch ago, after being nerfed 3 patches ina row, and still maintains 56 to 54% winrate per day after 4 patches of raw nerfing.

Abibyama IIApr 16, 20192 votes

Then everyonewould be challenger but most people aren't, people would pick those "auto win" champs and still be hard stuck and not climbing anywhere.

Skarner? Or an Azir? Or Maokai? Or Ivern? Or even Rumble?

I've seen those champions in my elo this past month

No point with you since you actually don't play the game if you say that shit and parroting what others is saying

SEKAIApr 16, 201923 votes

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--Removed--

People repeat conspiracy theories until it becomes common 'knowledge', doesn't matter if it's completely baseless or worse, completely false.

......

Remember, game's like this now because everyone and their mother cried an ocean asking for today's state. Back then people called micro play, csing, a slower and methodical pace, or just about any semblance of strategy in this game some boring relic of dota, and prayed to the god that the game would rid itself of it and make itself more "fun".

People cheered as we rioted at Riot, pointing a gun to their head to force a revert of the rework of blatantly unfair champs like Rengar and Leblanc, even if the said reworks actually addressed their problems. Because obviously, we know what we're talking about, and we want the game about unfair instagib with literally 0 counterplay. Because that's what makes the game fun, we all say.
People cheered on the damage creeping, and we ceaselessly dissed on as well as mocked endless of Morello's fearlessness towards nerfing what is broken. "Buff not nerf" was a famously parroted line that shows up every time someone was nerfed. Because we just know that buffing everyone definitely wouldn't start a literal arms race and things like feature and damage creep, as if that's something that's ever going to happen!
People cheered on the idea that """high skill cap""" champs, which is basically just euphemism for flashy, overloaded champs, should have reserved spots at the top because they're just "so hard to play" and just so "fun", and need to be "rewarded". We used this excuse to defend the then OP as fuck Lee, and we still defend Riven, Yasuo, Zoe, and the like.
People cheered and STILL CHEER on the hack game designers like CertainlyT who make those """high skill cap""" champs and enabling them to make even more, each more broken than the last. We worship whoever that could forego their pride as a sensible human being and willing to ignore all logic in order to continuously add more damage, stats, utility, and neverending mobility all into the SAME package. We want nothing but egoistical and cynical 1man army champs who gives the enemy team high blood pressure as we are both untouchable and unbeatable by sheer definition, while we desperately pretend that it has something to do with our personal character and capability. "Innovative" we say, "fun" we say.
People cheered at the death of anything not 100% about damage. Any time say, if tank is even remotely in the game, cries of ""tank meta"" spreads and everyone panics like it's the literal end of the world. And then we bully Riot into gutting tank while everyone opens up a bottle of champagne to celebrate the death of the tank destroyers that supposedly ruin games, and sing praises that the game could finally be "fun" again. The same goes for any tank items, runes, and anything that's not 100% about flashy burst damage that we so lust for.
People cheered as many marched onto the forums and reddit to protest against the fact counterpicking, counterplaying, designed weaknesses, and game phases, etc, exist in the game. Because god forbid the game have any strategy and teamplay and champs on the roster of their own defined strength and weaknesses, and because ofc god forbids so. We want the game to be all about picking literally whoever and running into a game of deathmatch. Riot would have no choice but to dumb down the game to appease us, who want nothing but more slashy meat fests. Yeah! That's the fun!
The list goes on.

We were warned, and so many times. And no one listened.

There is no need to hide anything; it's just what it is. The above is the reason why the game is at today's state, or at least a good portion of the reasons why. This is not a game that supposedly the "Chinese" or "Asian" wanted.

#This is the game that WE HAVE ALWAYS WANTED.

The game has been made by no other than us. WE MADE THE GAME THIS WAY.

We finally got our perfect toy, but I guess now we don't like it anymore. Because we're just a bunch of brats, who have no idea what is good and neither do we know what we actually want. And it's better, because we blame our failure on others, too. We're the gamers. We're perfect, smart, and know what the fuck we're talking about. That's why.

Abibyama IIApr 16, 20195 votes

Riot had to remove/stop making active items because the playerbase forgot to use them.

Remember that whenever you have to question the intelligence of the league playerbase

PhDs NutsApr 16, 201924 votes

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People repeat conspiracy theories until it becomes common 'knowledge', doesn't matter if it's completely baseless or worse, completely false.

...

I dont recall anyone in the last 7 years ever saying damage is too low and more damage should be upfront. I dont recall anyone saying runes should be more important than champions.

SaezioApr 16, 201915 votes

Maybe you cheered and enjoyed all those occasions, so you got what you wanted, please let us displeased customers speak our opinions too.

Many of us were disgusted by both LB and Rengar reverts. But you can definitely see which pro scene was mostly favoured by the game becoming more of a fiesta and outplay galore than a macro shotcalling extravaganza.

Tons of us disagreed with the Runes Reforged, and said it would ruin the game for us (it did). We got all the versatility anyone could ever ask for.... but ONLY for our offensive traits... and we lost all customisation on our defensive early game (lane surviving really) strategy. All the team-oriented players were FUCKED and all the "OmG-wIN-laNE-LosE-gaME" arrogant brats got their way.

Used to be able to walk to lane with every single rune being Armor vs Riven and on top of it cloth 5/d.shield 1 to try and survive and be relevant in teamfights or make a good TP play at 6 to turn the game. Now, riven(and all champions really) can have amazing runes that showcase the champion's strengths, unless you are a tank, in which case all you get is again DAMAGE. No tools to hold on, persevere and turn around the early onslaught but rather tools to try and start a snowball of your own.

So, fuck this riot policy that wants to make games faster, the best feeling was wining a 60-70 minute game, but since kids think "meh shorter games means I get to play more and get more LP" all of us that want strategy, long games with comebacks and macro>micro will surely wish riot/tencent the worst.

And also, FUCK RIOT for not telling us clearly where this game was going.

Tim From WorkApr 16, 20191 votes

The thing that’s always made tanks viable is the utility they bring, that’s why even now tanks get played, the only reason the meta becomes a tank Meta is because the tanks can outduel the bruisers who normally lane against them and since they have much better team fight presence they are the obvious choice. The issue with league is its tried to effectively remove niches from the game. Riot has tried to make everything relatively viable at almost all points of the game barely regarding circumstance, and that’s really hard to balance with how many characters there aee

SaezioApr 16, 20194 votes

Another thing tanks could do was TANK DAMAGE and not get popped in 2 seconds. That isn't the case anymore because everyone has new fancy items and runes. Everybody except tanks. Seriously, grasp is the same as it was back with the mastery system, except now it stacks some HP per proc. Aftershock barely benefits from tanky stats compared to it's base value that everyone(see lissandra pyke etc) gets and also compared to the shield coc used to give with %hp. And guardian is exclusively a support rune. About items? Just compare tank choices in 2010-14 with tank items today, and then compare the core items of the other classes between the same seasons.

FCJAAAAGOOOOApr 16, 20193 votes

{quoted}

People repeat conspiracy theories until it becomes common 'knowledge', doesn't matter if it's completely baseless or worse, completely false.

......

Remember, game's like this now because everyone and their mother cried an ocean asking for today's state. Back then people called micro play, csing, a slower and methodical pace, or just about any semblance of strategy in this game some boring relic of dota, and prayed to the god that the game would rid itself of it and make itself more "fun".

People cheered as we rioted at Riot, pointing a gun to their head to force a revert of the rework of blatantly unfair champs like Rengar and Leblanc, even if the said reworks actually addressed their problems. Because obviously, we know what we're talking about, and we want the game about unfair instagib with literally 0 counterplay. Because that's what makes the game fun, we all say.

People cheered on the damage creeping, and we ceaselessly dissed on as well as mocked endless of Morello's fearlessness towards nerfing what is broken. "Buff not nerf" was a famously parroted line that shows up every time someone was nerfed. Because we just know that buffing everyone definitely wouldn't start a literal arms race and things like feature and damage creep, as if that's something that's ever going to happen!

People cheered on the idea that """high skill cap""" champs, which is basically just euphemism for flashy, overloaded champs, should have reserved spots at the top because they're just "so hard to play" and just so "fun", and need to be "rewarded". We used this excuse to defend the then OP as fuck Lee, and we still defend Riven, Yasuo, Zoe, and the like.

People cheered and STILL CHEER on the hack game designers like CertainlyT who make those """high skill cap""" champs and enabling them to make even more, each more broken than the last. We worship whoever that could forego their pride as a sensible human being and willing to ignore all logic in order to continuously add more damage, stats, utility, and neverending mobility all into the SAME package. We want nothing but egoistical and cynical 1man army champs who gives the enemy team high blood pressure as we are both untouchable and unbeatable by sheer definition, while we desperately pretend that it has something to do with our personal character and capability. "Innovative" we say, "fun" we say.

People cheered at the death of anything not 100% about damage. Any time say, if tank is even remotely in the game, cries of ""tank meta"" spreads and everyone panics like it's the literal end of the world. And then we bully Riot into gutting tank while everyone opens up a bottle of champagne to celebrate the death of the tank destroyers that supposedly ruin games, and sing praises that the game could finally be "fun" again. The same goes for any tank items, runes, and anything that's not 100% about flashy burst damage that we so lust for.

People cheered as many marched onto the forums and reddit to protest against the fact counterpicking, counterplaying, designed weaknesses, and game phases, etc, exist in the game. Because god forbid the game have any strategy and teamplay and champs on the roster of their own defined strength and weaknesses, and because ofc god forbids so. We want the game to be all about picking literally whoever and running into a game of deathmatch. Riot would have no choice but to dumb down the game to appease us, who want nothing but more slashy meat fests. Yeah! That's the fun!

The list goes on.

We were warned, and so many times. And no one listened.

There is no need to hide anything; it's just what it is. The above is the reason why the game is at today's state, or at least a good portion of the reasons why. This is not a game that supposedly the "Chinese" or "Asian" wanted.

#This is the game that WE HAVE ALWAYS WANTED.

The game has been made by no other than us. WE MADE THE GAME THIS WAY.

We finally got our perfect toy, but I guess now we don't like it anymore. Because we're just a bunch of brats, who have no idea what is good and neither do we know what we actually want. And it's better, because we blame our failure on others, too. We're the gamers. We're perfect, smart, and know what the fuck we're talking about. That's why.

Well to be more specific, China made the game this way.

SaezioApr 16, 20193 votes

Do Chinese not pronounce L too? I only knew this to be true for Japanese.

MarshbouyApr 16, 201911 votes

this is why riot doesn't go on the Forums.

OHminusApr 16, 20192 votes

Surprised Mods didn't remove this racist comment

Abibyama IIApr 16, 20192 votes

This entire website is becoming more and more racist everyday.

They should do something

AyzevApr 16, 20193 votes

If it's so much of a problem as to require systematic changes and is getting worse every day, surely you can provide plenty of examples of this supposed racism, right? As someone visiting the boards every day myself, I have yet to notice any of it.

MarshbouyApr 16, 20192 votes

Apparently you weren't present when a huge wave of anti-china and anti-chinese posts slammed the boards about a month or two ago and required some pretty serious moderation.

AyzevApr 16, 20192 votes

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wave of anti-chinese posts about a month or two ago

That's one instance. Where's the "getting worse every day" part?

AyzevApr 16, 20193 votes

Asians pronouncing L as R is a stereotype, not some hateful statement. If you consider that offensive, let alone to a degree where it requires moderation, you might wanna rethink your world view. How will you handle anything in life if this little is too much for you?

AeroWaffleApr 16, 20192 votes

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Asians pronouncing L as R is a stereotype, not some hateful statement. If you consider that offensive, let alone to a degree where it requires moderation, you might wanna rethink your world view. How will you handle anything in life if this little is too much for you?

The person that made the post pretty much acknowledged it as a racist joke;

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Which part? The racist joke or the state of the game?

Cuz I find them both funny.

AyzevApr 16, 20192 votes

Well then, too bad for him that he's jumping into his grave before he's anywhere near death.

MarshbouyApr 16, 20192 votes

Are you implying stereotypes can't be racist?

DisulfiramApr 16, 20193 votes

This one certainly isn't. Racism is when you determine the worth of people based on their taxon, literally "racial discrimination", and the simple acknowledgement of cultural or anatomical differences is in no way the same thing.

AyzevApr 16, 20193 votes

They can. But one that merely points out the lack of a specific sound in a language hardly falls under that.

FSRERApr 16, 201914 votes

Lets see, a enemy team with Riven Sejuani Yasuo Vayne Morgana No matter what you pick into such comps, you will lose and why is that? because every champion on that team (seju as an exception) is overpowered beyond belief and can't be outdamaged by any means.

SaiannaApr 16, 20193 votes

you only added morgana cause of her visual rework and attention she got because of it. If you wanted to add truly BS support, it'd be either blitz, thresh or one of few crippled mages that still deal shitton of damage even with 0 AP

Bob the ToastrApr 16, 20194 votes

No, Morg is really strong right now. In a game where a single hook or cc ability can mean death, her spell shield and 3 second root are very important.

KarunamonApr 16, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bob the Toastr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R8eRETEm,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-04-16T14:13:35.318+0000)

No, Morg is really strong right now. In a game where a single hook or cc ability can mean death, her spell shield and 3 second root are very important.

That's not a "right now" thing. Morg has had spell shield and the eternal root since the day she was originally released.

NaughtyWordApr 18, 20191 votes

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you only added morgana cause of her visual rework and attention she got because of it. If you wanted to add truly BS support, it'd be either blitz, thresh or one of few crippled mages that still deal shitton of damage even with 0 AP

I'm not saying she's op but Zyra does a crap ton of damage out of the gate.

SaiannaApr 18, 20191 votes

Sure she does. But morgana isn't and that's my point :)

Light BurnerApr 18, 20191 votes

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Lets see, a enemy team with No matter what you pick into such comps, you will lose and why is that? because every champion on that team (seju as an exception) is overpowered beyond belief and can't be outdamaged by any means.

That comp also gets hardstompped early since sej cant really get off successful ganks till mid game and yasuo and vayne are pretty weak and vunerable in the early game. Riven and morg probably are on the better end of the early game but their late game gets tricky in this comp at least.

AeroWaffleApr 16, 20196 votes

Every time I see one of these posts claiming that [gameplay element] is so much worse now than they were before I always wonder how much people are forgetting how much complaining is present all the damn time throughout league's history.

If what the OP said is true, we should see the pick rate for just a choice few champions skyrocketing far above average. Well here are some info graphs so you can judge for yourself if the pick rate is higher than normal compared to previous patches;

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics

Notice how the highest pick-rate right now is Ez with almost 25%? This is not a particularly unusual number. Most of those number are actually pretty standard if you click around.

Lets rewind 2 years, look at this; https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-7-7-infographics Look at those pick rates. Lee and Lucian is chewing up the competition with a 33% and 29% pick rate respectively.

Edit: fixed broken second link