Annie needs a rework

Guy Fox Teemo··8 votes·522 views

You cannot argue with that, no valid point you make will, change the fact that this champion is so insanely binary.

1: She's not a unique champions, she's just damage, damage, damage, damage, and a stun. Nothing more nothing less. 2: She has zero counter play, if she gets close, yes you can "Sorta" out range her. But she has 650 range, on her abilitys, ult being even longer. So it's not exactly possible, to have solely counter play on her range. 3: She has incredibly high base damages/high ratios, she has higher ratios then viktor or syndra. Who actually make you land the skill shot. She also has low cds, so :/ 4: She has a constant stun that isn't actual possible to dodge, you can't dodge her stun. It's hard CC without a way to counter it. Besides a banshees but thats 40 seconds to the 6.

Idk, Annie's completely retarded and unfun to play against, I'd rather lane against teemo because you know he has actual counter play, squishyness, low range, timer on shrooms, long cd on Q. Etc.

There is zero argument that you can make to counter argue the fact that, Annie's kit is binary and little to no counter play.

Thats just my 2 cents.

11 Comments

Mr Broken Wings2 votes

She is one of the last champions who have point and click hard cc to keep kalista and other high mobility champions in check. First delete kalista, then ask for an annie rework.

FacerollKatarina1 votes

Thats a totally unfair way to look at it. Just because one champion is retardedly broken, doesn't mean another champion cant be fixed

LadyRenly1 votes

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She is one of the last champions who have point and click hard cc to keep kalista and other high mobility champions in check. First delete kalista, then ask for an annie rework.

That may be true, but annie with kalista is pure poison

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

1: Idk why, kalista should be easy to be jumped on. She's meant to stay in the back and kite until you can jump on her. Thats why she has the lowest DPS of any of the adcs. Even urgot does more damage.

Ashenvall1 votes

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She is one of the last champions who have point and click hard cc to keep kalista and other high mobility champions in check. First delete kalista, then ask for an annie rework.

True story

Rico Nasty1 votes

I agree, an Annie rework would be hella good.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

Annie needs a rework, but not one that just makes her trash and leaves her there as if other mages don't exist. The problem with most rework threads is that is all they suggest. Remove everything that makes her worth it to play. Done! Kalista needs changes too but thats a different problem.

You would rather lane vs teemo because he sucks. I'd rather lane against teemo than most of the game.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

The difference is, theres nothing unique about annie besides her bear. Her Q is binary nothing special about it, so is her W, and her E doesn't really belong on her kit. And her passive is just a stun every few seconds. She could be so much more with a rework

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

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The difference is, theres nothing unique about annie besides her bear. Her Q is binary nothing special about it, so is her W, and her E doesn't really belong on her kit. And her passive is just a stun every few seconds. She could be so much more with a rework

Her short range imo makes her unique since most of the mage class has 800+ range. Her Q being a reliable last hitting tool is unique since most mages dont get mana refunds let alone a skill mostly made for last hits. Her W is definitely bland. At best its her aoe stun without ult. E I dont get but hey im not riots balance team.

My issue with the whole rework thing is that it could actually make her stronger. Which we know how G&B circlejerks. Or it makes her useless in which case she just dies out. I think reading a lot of G&B post scare me off of reworks because my god are the suggestions bad.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

A rework to a binary simple champion makes them stronger in certain ways, she'll become less reliable having to actual LAND a skill shot or maybe she'll have to actual manage her passive. She'll actually take SOME skill, to play, not just face roll (literally this works). She'll have to combo right, not just spam tibbers, and everything else. She takes zero skill, nothing about her kit is mechanically hard, not even the decision making, as she has low cds.

Martyrofsand1 votes

Um being binary doesn't mean you instantly deserve a rework, and frankly Annie shouldn't be reworked. That a simple champion can be viable in the day an age of anything made by CertaintlyT/Ekko/Gnar/Rek'sai/etc etc is a breathe of fresh air in what is otherwise become a game full of spectacle and very little substance. She also does the absolutely critical job right now of helping to contain this hypermobile toxic BS by having one of the few point and click "sit" buttons left in the game. BTW just want to address the whole "you can't dodge tibbers" non-sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_YYuIuD-IA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX9-UBApARQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8cv15IpVHE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQC5SadLwmE

People who pay attention to the opponents movements and have some understand of how/when a champ will try to make plays seem to be having no problems dodging Tibbers. Is it very easy to dodge? No I'll grant it can be difficult, but you assertion that you "can't dodge it" is flat out wrong for both her W and R, Q you would be correct on.

Also speak for yourself on what is "unfun" to play against. Frankly I love playing against Annie, getting to play against a champion that doesn't require me to predict and stay on top of 500 different mobility options available to them and requires me to think strategically to out play her instead of just being a "who's got better mechanics" match-up that so heavily dominates the game today is a damn god send.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Annie she does not need a rework and frankly if Riot released a slew of champions just like her I would probably have a heart attack of joy to see something other than the hypermobile overloaded garbage we keep seeing release after release after release.

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