"You're not supposed to build damage as jungle" "You're supposed to get a sightstone for vision control" (and yes, I was buying wards) "You're not supposed to get kills you're supposed to just snowball the lanes"
Yep, Riot has officially pushed people into the mindset that the jungle is just the second support.
Also, really, who the hell isn't building nearly full damage on 
? He's an assassin not a tank...
IcyPepper49 votesDifferent champions make for different styles of jungling. Master Yi players tend to farm more and get more kills, rather than focusing on snowballing their lanes. Vi players can go either route, building full tank to snowball lanes or some damage to get kills herself.
But seriously? Telling your jungler to build sightstone and just act like every laners' bitch? Sightstone is a great item and all, and synergizes with some champions as well with cinderhulk, but it's not a core requirement.
ANd if a laner dares tell me to build sightstone, their lane better be lit up like a Christmas Tree or I'm ignoring that bitch's lane. I'm the jungler, I decide which lanes to gank.
Thefriendlyorc20 votesThe worst is when they start taking your creeps like Raptors or Wolves and then wonder why you're a level behind the enemy jung, or when they out right take a buff without asking. Pisses me off.
IcyPepper9 votesAnd god forbid you take a few minions after ganking their lane and burning a flash/getting them a kill.
"Omg noob jungler taking muh cs"
"Oh hey looks like I'll be camping bot lane from now on instead"
Thefriendlyorc13 votesI had a hecarim top lose his shit because I didnt gank his teemo lane opponent AT THAT INSTANT, because I was, at the time, fighting enemy jungle Udyr at Scuttlebug. He started taking my wolves/gromp/raptors and made me 2 levels lower out of salty rageful spite. Welcome to jungling 101.
Auz the Ripper11 votesThis is why I don't jungle any more
That and The fact I'm a terrible jungler
DarkFaun Fortes1 votessame
Hyrum Graff7 votesWhen I lane, if my jungler pulls off a successful gank (kill, summoners, or just damage dealt), I ask them to take some CS.
If they're able to pull off ganks that work, chances are they're a good jungler, which means if I give them CS, they'll be able to use it and help me carry.
Team game.
DarkFaun Fortes1 votesI'm friending you! more ppl need to think like us!
Hyrum Graff2 votesI haven't been playing this semester, because it's hard to do that and stay caught up with work, but I'll totally accept at the end of semester when I get back on.
DarkFaun Fortes1 votesI only play like one or 2 games a night, but i do almost every night, or every other.
Wheatloaf1 votesFar as I'm concerned, if my jungler successfully ganks my lane, the executive decision is theirs as to what to do next. I trust my jungler to be keeping up on stats across the map and know what needs to be done. Even if they don't, having that trust is pretty important to me.
LeeDark2 votesI really wish I could see the confused look on my jungler's face when I tell them to push the wave out and crash it into the tower while I back for healing.
IcyPepper3 votesYou are the type of person I hand buffs to on a silver platter.
"Hey man, mind if I take blue?"
"Hell yeah I'll even leash it for you!"
Hinro Honato4 votesWell if they want to whine about you taking a cs or two just help them even more. Take upwards of three or four waves.
Never bite the hand that ganks for you.
Gavran5 votesTelling your jungler to build sightstone and just act like every laners' bitch?
YEAH! You can only do that to supports and have it be okay!
How dare anyone treat someone who isn't a support that way!
Abyssphere11 votesYEAH! You can only do that to supports and have it be okay!
How dare anyone treat someone who isn't a support that way!
Saying this as someone who plays support primarily:
When you play support you are likely picking a champion who is designed to be effective without significant amounts of damage/items. It makes sense to build Sighstone and non-damage items on support because you are meant to offer utility and will never carry as hard as a mid laner. Most junglers are not built to be effective without their items, so rushing Mikael's on a Master Yi just isn't going to work out.
Play Janna and most of what you offer with your abilities is completely unaffected by what you build. A knockup is a knockup regardless of how much AP is behind it. Play an assassin jungler and don't build damage and you have for no reason decided to make yourself useless.
I mean have you ever told your ADC or APC to build support? It's just not a good thing to do. It's not a case of "lol the support is the bitch everyone screws over", it's a case of "I do not want my carries to build support because I want to win and they have better things to offer".
GaleWinUnleashed3 votesI play both Janna and Lulu, and my build contains almost no damage, and just a little bit of health. Pretty much just my support item, crucible, boots, and tons of vision.
I'm in it for the utility, I don't need my abilities to scale.
IcyPepper3 votesI wouldn't force a support to buy sightstone anyway. It's a cost effective item for a role designated to have the lowest gold income (it sucks, I know), but I don't care as long as everyone is buying wards. You either buy a sightstone or buy wards. And that goes for everyone.
TheRainInSpain2 votesAt this rate we're going to see ADC's demanding everyone else buys a Sightstone or they're feeding. And if they get banned, the community will yell at Rito until said players are unbanned. Because, that's the Most important and only set in stone role.
IcyPepper1 votesHere's a secret that many people don't do:
In ranked games, I prefer playing the ADC (not my favorite role, but...) and... warding. I focus on cs, not kills, during the laning phase then buy wards along with my core build.
And sometimes, my support just buys wards with me and builds other items (like Lux building AP, and so on).
And it never impedes my build. That's the secret. The adc can buy wards and stay in the game.
Supports f—ing love it when they don't have to be the only one warding.
TheRainInSpain1 votesIndeed. I buy wards on every back (sometimes two or three on a single back if I didn't upgrade my trinket), but nine times out of ten, the ward amount ends up being 70% Support, 25% me, and the other three players fitting into the last five percent with unupgraded trinket wards. I only see upgraded trinkets from the rare intelligent player, or when everyone has full build. I've even come across people at full build who deliberately avoid upgrading the trinket to piss everyone else on his team off.
While I'm not shocked that people have connected that the jungler is everywhere, he should also carry a Sightstone (possibly stemming from how sometimes you get a tank jungler or Lee Sin carrying one in their builds), I'm a little shocked about how long it took to go from Support only and everyone flames you for doing it too, to the jungler gets demanded he too carry a Sightstone.
As for my ADC comment, the only role that is literally one champion type (and even limited within that type) is the duo lane carry, aka ADC, and of bottom lane. Every other role, meta, and tactic can pretty much be anything. But that team member is different. It's the only one that has never changed for fifty-seven months (since mid summer 2011). I've even seen Marksmen as Supports, but I have never seen any other meta where the carry wasn't a Marksman (even during the double bruiser kill meta, Marksman+Support was still a pretty dominant strategy). Nowhere in the history of League has a real Marksman recommended to purchase a Sightstone. By anyone. Even if ahead, it's the only role where the community vehemently doesn't like a Sightstone in your build. Everyone else could build six Ruby Sighstones for all they care, but if you even think about building one and people find out, you're getting nine reports (or more). It's something I never understood.
IcyPepper2 votesGonna be honest, I keep hearing the same damn excuse from Bronze players when they play adc:
"I don't have to buy wards, I'm the adc."
A sightstone is a big safeguard from that.
DrathTurtle3143 votesI'm still experimenting with when to build sightstone in the jungle, but I agree that it is situational. Don't criticize people's builds, unless its like AP Zed...
Gavran1 votesAs an aside from my wall of text I'd also like to say that I'm definitely on board with this too. If someone asks for help (like me whenever I have to ADC. I am such a shitty ADC please tell me what to build when I ask if you know.), then by all means tell them and tell them where they went wrong, but otherwise unless they're just building something completely asinine (AP Zed, a second Ruunan's Hurricane, Mejai's when they're 2/11/5) the most you should ever offer unsolicited is "Have you tried building X on Y? I like it."
Dreadlocks15 votesKhazix is in a weird spot right now but yeah i hate people that just think "if im not fed were gana lose, my team is too fucking stupid to know how to carry"
Leti the Yeti2 votesthis is the way everyone is taught, I dunt blame em people who want to climb are consistently told they must BE THE ONE CARRYING IT and everyone else is IDIOTS that they cannot blame the loss on THE MISTAKE OF OTHERS
wat do? carry of course who you gonna trust? yourself or your team? you cannot cannot assume your team is capable of doing anything, why would you? you don't know anything bout them but you know yourself and thats probably the safest bet
Father Cthulhu3 votesPlaying in Bronze though, I've tried trusting teammates while I set up good kills or start a really good engage, but nobody does anything or they just fuck it up and don't focus the right person. It's hard to trust anybody in that ELO because a lot of what you hear about them is true, sadly.
Axrios14 votesdid "doublelift" say that or did "faker"?
Migrañaboy10 votesThey pushed BACK the concept OP, junglers once again are considered support 2, unless you are master yi.
All that work from Riot since s3 to change this concept and eventually its back. kek
Anyways OP, k6 is always expected to do at least 1 tank item, it's really difficult to find the moment to do isolate damage with Q to risk it going full glass cannon.
9kPluzZ8 votesKha'ziks is trash right now. Im surprised he did not report you lol.
Poptart Evelynn70 votesKha'ziks is trash right now. Im surprised he did not report you lol.
That's why I have awesome kha stats in Diamond. #Trashamiright?
Derpy Mike68 votesTo be fair, "trash" is just a term used by lcs-sheep to describe the 100ish champs not played by pros. "Trash" has been used so much that it has pretty much lost all meaning as a description of a champion.
Kitten of Evil21 votesAlong with the phrase "gutted"
IamCaptainGinyu5 votesThe proper term now is "Olaf'd"
Chaotic Reks6 voteseve is fucking OP i don't care what anybody says
Meep Man8 votes[{quoted}](name=Derpy Mike,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QyWX9zXw,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-03-18T03:52:07.139+0000)
To be fair, "trash" is just a term used by lcs-sheep to describe the 100ish champs not played by pros. "Trash" has been used so much that it has pretty much lost all meaning as a description of a champion.
Yeah remember a couple months ago when Viktor was trash? Yeah.
GundayMonday1 votesI've never had a player use the word "trash" in a game that was competent.
X Frady5 votes#fuckmeta, really
Poptart Evelynn4 votesFull damage build is the only viable kha build atm.
Crett3 votes[{quoted}](name=Kawaii Kha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QyWX9zXw,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-03-18T03:29:54.736+0000)
Full damage build is the only viable kha build atm.
armor pen marks + quints
has done really well for me for some reason
MrSexyHobo4 votesarmor pen marks + quints
thats really strange because LW is the most core item in that entire build. build it as your 3rd item and you wont need the bloodthirster to do sick dps. you can pick up randuins instead
KaisadiIIa5 votes
on Kha'Zix mid.
I miss that.
Whitakker3 votesGood times those were...
Rogue Revenant4 votesI feel like this has very little to do with Riot and everything to do with that guy being a giant douche. I had an ADC once get mad that I wasn't body blocking AUTO ATTACKS. So yeah... fuck that guy. It happens.
Snowplosion3 votesEach time i play Kha i build full ad and my score is 3/2/13. That or i'm fed so much i need a sword of the occult.
Spacesuit Spiff3 votesI remember back when Kha was strong, I had this Udyr top that built like an adc and he spent all game just screaming at me for not building tank because "we need a tank wtf is wrong with you noob". I don't know exactly what the meta build is for Kha, but I imagine you need at least warriors/brut/tiamat/LW
It's funny when people try to scream at you about your build just because it's easy to make up some argument against it.
"OMG vi why you go full ad you're the initiation" 
"noob vi dont take all the kills and build tank" (warriors and then full tank because only tanky champ on the team, and the one with the most assists)
Raxicor2 votesWhat elo was this person?((asks the bronzie x'D)) They sound like they were just parroting what someone else told them. I haven't played kha since s4, but as you said, he builds damage with maybe 1 or 2 tank items depending on who's fed. Unless you're lee sin or jax jungle there's literally no need to buy a sightstone as a jungler, *especially * with the greater totem upgrades. And I laugh hard at the snowballing comment. Like alright, personally I like to give the first couple kills to the laners for snowball potential, but if I have my first item after jungle item, look out them kills are mine! >83
WeFlyNoLie2 votesYou can't really blame Riot for that mindset. Its because of the sheep herd that follow everything streamers and LCS players say and do.
Lajinn52 votesTo be honest, all the jungler would need to do to effectively keep three wards down at all times is grab an upgraded yellow trink, even though that means other people need to pick up oracles
Silents4291 votesBecause the experiences of 1 player apply to the entire playerbase.
Apart from laners thinking they are entitled to my buffs whenever they want (only sometimes) I have never been treated badly as a jungler.
