ROA, Liandires, RCS, Zhonyas, Athenes. They say that mages have more costs than adc's because they rely on mana, but anyone with athene's gets to spam abilities until the cows come home and they get all the benefits of the other defensive items.
Laraso8 votes
Yeah, AD doesn't have any utility or defensive options.
Laraso4 votesYou can take 
and 
out. and aren't mage items, they are tank and AP bruiser items, while is just a straight DPS increase just like 
.
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and 
are pretty similar in that they both give you almost limitless mana.
The only things left are 
and 
of which AD doesn't really have any answer to.
But if you leave it at that and say AP has more, you're ignoring the fact
that AP has no answer to and .
Woook3r1 votesYou can take
The only things left are
rcs is much more efficient than frozen mallet. botrk may be better than liandries but there is no comparison between merc scimitar and zhonyas in this meta. Look at the rate at which they are built. I see zhonyas first item all the time. when was the last time merc was built first?
Laraso3 votesAp does have an answer to black cleaver if black cleaver ever gets built on an adc to begin with. Its called void staff. come on.
That's completely false. 
= 
, NOT
ADC's don't build first because it isn't necessary for their laning phase, unlike AP mids. When laning ends they can just buy a 
to get the active and sit on it (unlike ), they don't have to finish it and can wait to upgrade as their last item.
Cindikle1 votesThey don't get built at the same time. But they're still the same roll. An "Oh Sh*t" button.
ADC's also usually have more peel. They don't need it as much. A mage will get it first because they're in a solo lane vs an assassin. While the ADC just needs to not get right clicked long enough to escape.
Woook3r1 votesYou can take
The only things left are
Ap does have an answer to black cleaver if black cleaver ever gets built on an adc to begin with. Its called void staff. come on.
Woook3r1 votesAp does have an answer to black cleaver if black cleaver ever gets built on an adc to begin with. Its called void staff. come on.
ADC's have the same builds every game. Thats the end of the story. Its not just about ap items being better. build diversity is lacking. And black cleaver is a bruiser item i cant even believe you bring it up.
Laraso1 votesThe problem with ADCs is not that they don't have defensive and utility options, it's that they are shoehorned into buying only high DPS items, which means they ignore half of the AD items available to them. Quit pretending like only ADCs buy AD items. AD items can be bought by any AD champion, just like AP items can be bought by any AP champion.
Cindikle3 votesBC and Abyssal are resistance shredders. Void/LW are penetration. They do different things. And Abyssal is being changed into an AoE shred that works like BC. Making it a stronger bruiser item and a weaker AP item. With this AP's wont have a good answer to their MR problems.
Trídent1 votesNope.
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Abyssphere1 votesAp does have an answer to black cleaver if black cleaver ever gets built on an adc to begin with. Its called void staff. come on.
You realise ADCs get Last Whisper, right.
Moulin Rouge3 votes
look its more
no AP carry even gets the last 3.
RoA is only used on a few AP carries like Swain and Cass. Why? Because they are AP dps'ers with little to no self peel or in Swains case, he has to get into the thick of the fight to do anything.
Furthuremore, Abyssal sceptre is used like...10% of the time if you're really afraid of a fed Le blanc or something.
Zhonyas is the end all be all defensive of all mages. It's pretty mandatory actually. Even if they were to reduce the AP amount to 80 AP it'd still be mandatory.
Laraso4 votesAbyssal Scepter is actually really really strong on short range APs such as 
, 
, 
Woook3r1 votesno AP carry even gets the last 3.
RoA is only used on a few AP carries like Swain and Cass. Why? Because they are AP dps'ers with little to no self peel or in Swains case, he has to get into the thick of the fight to do anything.
Furthuremore, Abyssal sceptre is used like...10% of the time if you're really afraid of a fed Le blanc or something.
Zhonyas is the end all be all defensive of all mages. It's pretty mandatory actually. Even if they were to reduce the AP amount to 80 AP it'd still be mandatory.
and if an adc had a zhonyas option that would be mandatory too.
Moulin Rouge2 votesand if an adc had a zhonyas option that would be mandatory too.
They don't deserve one though.
insaiyanbacca1 voteswhat are those last3 ive never seen them built outside of a support or a tank, and abyssal is only really used on a few mages but quite a few aoe tanks. and since when does anyone buy athenes its just really bad rn because the mana regen was hit hard
7ha7guy7772 votesTypically mages do most of their damage with abilities. Abilities tend to have cooldowns. While their abilities are on cooldown, they typically do almost no damage except for a few champions who have auto attack related passives, channeled abilities, or nashors tooth. AD champions have abilities but do a large amount of damage through basic attacks. Basic attacks can occur up to 2.5 times per second. In order to survive long enough to use more than one rotation of abilities most mages need some defense and utility.
Ahurath1 votesADC's got crit tho.
Gunslinger7441 votesI just landed a 1700+ crit on the enemy adc and killed him almost instantly as Caitlyn while healing 20% of the damage done which was partiallly stored as a shield.
I think I've made my point.
Woook3r1 votesThe correct answer to this question has got to have something to do with life steal. And spell vamp is getting a rework.
Woook3r1 votesvoid staff = last whisper = black cleaver. And Black cleaver is for bruisers not adcs. Just give up. I dont need merc when i have cleanse which is underrated. Cleans gets rid of exhaust in lane. Great summoner.
Laraso1 votesBlack cleaver is an entirely, completely different item than either Void Staff or Last Whisper, quit trying to compare them. Armor shred is applied differently than armor penetration, and you have to hit them six times to get the full shred. You're also ignoring the plethora of other stats that Black Cleaver gives you. It's like comparing and 
and saying they're basically the same item. AD items can be bought by champions other than just ADCs. Cleanse can't get rid of non-cc debuffs such as 
deathmark or ulti, a can be the difference between winning and losing a team fight just as much as a .
Also, learn to reply correctly and edit your posts to avoid double posting.
FyshinaTux1 votesSimply put, the lack of itemization options is a problem across the entire spectrum of champion types.
Are you an APC? Build the following:
There are a few exceptions to this, and it mostly has to do with what champion you're playing (Fizz would want a Lich Bane for example), but that's largely the APC build right now. (not necessarily in the order listed)
ADC? Build this:
[ 
or 
] [ 
or ] 
Again, some champions (like Ezreal or Corki) would use an alternate route involving 
, but that's Champion based, not situational.
Playing a Tank? This is where it actually gets semi interesting... here we go:
Against all AD:
(if they're auto dependent like Master Yi, Vayne etc) 
(If you can make use of the passive and it doesn't throw you over the CDR cap), and you can pretty much finish out with a for the giggles (don't forget your boots too).
Against AD lane opponent with a mix of damage on the enemy team?
(to deal with lane opponent, it's cheapish, and gives you that extra little burn while you're tanking stuff), [ 
or 
] You pretty much pick and choose situation as to what defense you need once you get out of laning phase, but the options are relatively limited.
You probably get the idea by now... there aren't MANY build options for most of the classes in League. You will even notice this while watching LCS (or LCK, LPL, LMS etc) if a pro player builds something that isn't in the "usual list" the casters will almost always say either "I don't understand why they're building that, this would be better" or, "Well that's interesting, we'll have to watch how that item works out for him this game."
Just my opinion, but I feel there are a lot of gaps in the item-lines that should be addressed.
Woook3r1 votesAp items offer theses things. Cooldown reduction, mana, hp, armor, mr, zhonyas active, ability power, slows, magic penetration, mana regen, move speed
Ad items for adc's offer these things, ad, mr, a second cleanse spell, slows, armor penetration, crit, lifesteal and move speed. This list is shorter. Am i missing something? No it is shorter because it does not contain armor or hp.
FyshinaTux1 votesFrozen Mallet... HP...
FyshinaTux1 votesI'm not disagreeing, I'm just stating that you did miss a stat (HP) ;)
Mathbalnase2 votesIt's a bruiser item because bruisers want to build health (alongside their damage) while ADCs would rather just build more damage (and damage multipliers like AS, crit, and Pen).
FyshinaTux1 votesYou've never seen an ADC build a Frozen Mallet? Ever?
I've seen that in pro play, it can be built on ADCs.
Laraso1 votesOnce again, cleanse is inferior to QSS, QSS is on a much shorter cooldown and removes many things that cleanse does not. Also, AD also offers mana, mana regen, and CDR. Those stats are mostly irrelevant on ADCs, but the few that actually need them can build 
and . Aside from armor, the list is actually even in length.
Woook3r1 votesFrozen mallets gold efficiency is 83%....zeke's herald has the only worse build path.
Lugg1 votesBecause mages pretty much suck early game. The mana regen from Athene's only works once you have a decent size mana pool. You can't spam early, that's the trade off for being able to spam late.
ADCs start rocking with just a BF Sword.
1000angrybees1 votesYou're putting all mages in the same category when they do different things and have different mana costs and build types.
I'm not gonna build Ahri the same way that I would Swain.
And even with Athene's, not everyone can just spam that shit. High costs and mana pools are still a relevant topic to that subject, you know.
GinoSoldier1 votesI honestly freaking hate Zhonyas. Not only more often than not you'll still get killed after using the active, but it's the ONLY armor option mages have, which is really stupid. (Though i get that other options (HP/AP/Armor) might make AP bruisers too strong, maybe?)
Calabok1 votesBuff Brand
Woook3r1 votesThank for all the comments guys. Im not going to respond to all of them. I realize things might not be as unbalanced as I felt they were yesterday, but they are in fact unbalanced. Especially when mages are getting reworked spellvamp.
I dont see that the adc's ability to take towers even matters in my elo when most towers are taken after an ace or massive teamfight (50% of the time the adc is already dead). You dont need to quickly take towers in that situation because there is noone to stop it from being taken.
I see that abilities, not auto attacks, from mages and assasins have a much bigger impact on the game than anything else and Zhonyas is a 90 second cooldown that an adc would kill to have for an ulti.
Respectfully, MS
