Can we please, for fucks sake, get rid of Guinsoos, or Devour.

Neidox··108 votes·6,012 views

So many champions have on hit skills, so many items have on hit effects. These items exacerbate a stupid mechanic. If not Guinsoos, then Devour needs to just go away. In what world should Jax or Yi get double procs on their on hit effects? In what world should Devour junglers kill baron at 20 minutes? Its bullshit. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of my promos. Why does one player get to steam roll a team, solo push a whole lane, and pretty much just auto attack to victory.

The worst part is they aren't even squishy. They need just those 2 items, then they can build all tank and roflstomp people. Its really dumb, Riot's game balance choices are dumb, and the game is quickly becoming dumb. Its like I play in the hopes of having fun like I used to, but then people pick on hit junglers and its just so depressing.

114 Comments

trash sion36 votes

Maybe Guinsoo's, but definitely not Devour. It's Tahm's iconic ability, so he would need a full kit rework if Riot wanted to get rid of Devour.

Rikirie11 votes

I see what you did here, I approve. [slayer-jinx-catface]

The Taco Kat4 votes

Jokes aside, I like where you are going with this "kit rework for Tahm" you speak of.

trash sion2 votes

I feel like a good rework would be to remove all damage and CC from his kit, and make health and resistances only scale on a 0.5 ratio for him somehow. Pretty balanced I'd say.

CubedJustice3 votes

So, you want him to be a walking wall of meat that can't do anything ever?

SladeXD3 votes

Did you mean DrMundo ? (at least for the wall of meat thing)

Boulderox14 votes

i just find it funny how they will nerf EVERYTHING around item 3124, but leave it untouched, which is the real problem with Jax and KogMaw and XinZhao. While they decide to take away the item 3077 cleave in 5.22 and throw it on guinso's with a mini game mechanic....

Lastly, the idea of guinsos is that it is an option for hybrid champs.... meanwhile half the true hybrid champs are only able to use it effectively... Jax Kayle Evelynn and Akali... which i find really unfair and flat out redundant when riot throws out items like the old zephyr because only 1 or two champs actually build the damn thing while the same is occuring here without a care.

SilverSlayer4251 votes

You forgot the Lord of the Underworld Himself: Teemo Teemo

Boulderox1 votes

well teemo can build ad and ap, he doesn't benifit well from both ad and ap at the same time, same as Ezreal Kennen for example. They can build ad or ap but are subpar if they build both at the same time.

SilverSlayer4251 votes

Guinsoo's helps teemo more because it allows him to have much more attack speed with the passive. Ez doesn't need AS, and I am unfamiliar with Kennen as a whole, so I can't say anything about him.

Also, the extra AD is useful for towers and banner minions

ZaynMaIik12 votes

im honestly more sick of people complaining about the items THAN THE ACTUAL ITEMS! honestly their balanced. its just trash players that cant play around power spikes/ find ways to stop farming jglers. its so annoying hearing about this over and over and over again.

EddardStark841 votes

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im honestly more sick of people complaining about the items THAN THE ACTUAL ITEMS! honestly their balanced. its just trash players that cant play around power spikes/ find ways to stop farming jglers. its so annoying hearing about this over and over and over again.

You named yourself after a member of a tween boyband..honestly you're not old enough for anyone to really take your opinion seriously.

Noname41232 votes

Not a fan of the boy band, but you named yourself after a guy from a fantasy nerd series. It's just as bad as a Warcraft character name.

EddardStark841 votes

I'm sorry but naming yourself after a literary character is faaaaar from the same lameness as naming yourself after a person in a boy band (while at the same time pegging yourself under the age of 13). I mean, are you serious right now?

ZaynMaIik1 votes

since he left the band....is 23 years old. ima say ur argument is stupid.

now im 21 and think the name is funny af and always gets great responses in game...i think ur just a salty nerd. urs is way worse than mine. having stupid numbers in name? what are u? a 12 year old on xbox?

AttackOnTeemos11 votes

I personally don't think the RageBlade should aoe

OurLestrade2 votes

It's absurdly slot efficient without it, adding that part - for ranged too - is just taking the piss :P

Kitty Clarissa10 votes

the real way to beat them is to pressue the map constantly and get objectives , Deny dragons , scuddles slowing them down, rift herld is only 2 stacks now so they should be much slower if you take some primary objectives. If you prevent them from farming they cant really do anything or they hit sated at 30+ min and its too late now . in bronze people dont know how to do that so its hard when your solo

ForeverLaxx4 votes

This is just another thread where people want Riot to do the work for them. If they can't ignore everything going on outside of their lane and have to change what they're doing to increase their chances of victory, then that's a problem that Riot has to solve because they'll be damned if they have to stop afk farming their lane.

Ariel the Cruel6 votes

Welcome to Yolo Queue. Enjoy your stay!

Kuroi862 votes

Waiting for someone to come and argue that they shouldn't have to alter the way they play due to a single enemy champion. As if the ideal of strategy is somehow abhorrent and doesn't belong in an objective based game.

Ariel the Cruel5 votes

I personally have no problem with champions who force play style changes. My problem is when they don't return the favor (Yasuo).

Every champion should be unique enough that every other champion has to adapt to them and vice versa.

Only Play Darius7 votes

If you're so tired of devourer then play ARAM. There you can laugh at how useless all the junglers that terrorize you are XinZhao Shyvana MasterYi

bill848 votes

or Dominion. oh wait...

SpongebobIsLife3 votes

too soon man...too soon..give me until tomorrow.

Myozthirirn1 votes

Two of them sub as decent tanks, the other one has resets on a teamfight-only map

Vistha Kai5 votes

I've been saying that since Feral Flare was renamed into Devourer.

Remove this stupidly toxic item already.

Evewynn5 votes

id say just replace the sated ability to something more manageable. It's called "devourer," maybe it should "devour" something? Like if it stole 2 armor and mr with each strike, up to a maximum value/debuff (similar to wit's end). That would solidify it as a dueling item over the warrior favoring burst and poke. It would also be good on all champs rather than ones with inherent on-hit effects.

M0RDEKA1SER5 votes

Don't both items deal magic damage? You might be surprised how effective MR is against them.

Heckin Support4 votes

The problem is that that's what people assume. But if you look at 2 of the biggest abusers of this combo, it's not that much magic damage. And it's pretty split between physical and magical. (and if you're yi lots of true damage as well) So it's kinda hard to itemize against this. http://champion.gg/champion/XinZhao http://champion.gg/champion/MasterYi

I mean look at Shyvana. Her's is split basically half and half physical and magical. How are people supposed to build against that? http://champion.gg/champion/Shyvana

M0RDEKA1SER5 votes

So, the problem isn't rage blade, it's "sated?" So then the next thing I would recommend is checking out exactly what sated does.

Every other auto attack applies "on-hit" effects a second time. Well, that sounds to me like less AA's = less proc's.

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Since the magic damage isn't "that much," armor should help you more than MR as well. The little extra bit of health will also allow you to use whatever escape mechanics you may have. If you don't have any, you now have an item that slows movement speed.

InivtesPreeze2 votes

OMG YOU SOLVED IT

THE ENTIRE PROBLEM IS NOW GONE! OMG YOURE SMARTER THAN EVERY OTHER LEAGUE PLAYER THERE IS

No.

It barely even slows them down. The effect isn't even worth talking about. Guinsoo's on top of Devourer is broken. You think you're the first person to think, "I'll just get something that slows down their autos!"?

You're not. The mechanic is broken and has been for too long.

M0RDEKA1SER4 votes

OMG CAPITAL LETTERZ MAKE YOU SOUND SO SMART AND GUD AT DIS GAME!!!

Not really.

Thank you for your kind words and constructive criticism. I'll be sure to refrain from trying to help anymore.

Enjoy the rest of your Q.Q thread.

FistOfSharkiesha5 votes

It's sickening how buying the right items alone can allow you to win, no matter how bad you are, how behind you are, how poorly your team works together.

Zed Buy item 3156 and beat literally any mage in the game no matter how hard they've been crushing you.

MasterYi Sate devourer, grab guinso's, then go tank. Few teams will have enough CC or damage to stop your rampage.

Udyr Buy runic echoes and become impossible to catch or escape. Grab Guinso's and become unduelable.

The Avengers Inc4 votes

Thats what Riot calls "balance".....Pathetic isnt it

MohawkBird4 votes

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KetiaX3 votes

6.3 Xin Zhao. At 6.4 Xin Zhao's W AP scaling on the healing is reduced and the attack speed buff is reduced. Now Xin can't do it anymore.

Plus, in that video, he's 14/0 at 20 minutes.

JustARivenMain1 votes

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I have not once ever seen a devourer jungler kill Baron at 20 minutes. That claim is just absurd.

No not really, i've done it myself, if you get sated before 20 and kill the enemy jungler you can take baron with a tank or two as Jax, Xin or even Kog

Jbels3 votes

I don't even understand why Sated is a damn thing. It basically says to the enemy team, you better beat my team before I get sated, or you lose. Why the fuck are devourer junglers getting so much special treatment right now? Devourer used to be a risk versus reward item. You bought it assuming the risk that your team doesn't do too well and you end up not contributing much of anything, the reward was that if your team didn't feed their asses off, you actually mattered. Now it's like, it's ok, as soon as I get to 30 stacks I can 1v1 anyone and splitpush for days.

Fuck Devourer, Fuck Rageblade

Sir Yamazuki3 votes

Regarding Devour, especially Sated, I wonder why Riot feels the item needs to exist. If you look at all the current Devour users that are dedicated junglers and played long enough you'll know that none of them even needed Devour or for Sated to be added and had other options aside for 1 champion. Warwick is the only champion that has historically not built anything else other than in rare cases (such as building Golem/Cinder but tank Warwick was nerfed due to him being nerfed for Devour), all the other devour users only use devour when it is the best option and they aren't even balanced around devour anyways.

Warwick, again, is the only one balanced around it. Yi was building Warrior until it was clear Sated out classes it, Shyv was buffed due to using Cinder but once it was clear Sated outclasses Cinder people started using it which now means she has to be nerfed ruining Cinder/tanky Shyv. Xin originally also used Warrior until Sated was added to Devour. Udyr has already been shown to function fine with Cinder and even now Echoes. There is no reason for the item to exist other than for Warwick, but even then, he's being changed and could be changed in a way to be fine without it. Devour has been around through multiple different forms with different numbers/effects, and in the end no one ever enjoyed any of its forms.

SociopathFriend3 votes

In what world should Devour junglers kill baron at 20 minutes?

Can any jungler with only devourer solo baron at 20 minutes? Can any jungler with devourer and guinsoo solo baron at 20 minutes? Somehow I don't believe you when you say they can.

SH Azykan2 votes

MasterYi XinZhao are 2 I have done it with at baron spawn with devourer (granted with Yi I was ridiculously fed)

Rımuru Tempest3 votes

Aatrox with Devourer and Rageblade, easiest baron in my life.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

they will somehow make a nerf to them that doesn't really address the actual problem but just call it a nerf to the items or champions

Atolan2 votes

No I love gunisoos and devour Jax . And sometimes on Nocturne as well, and if I want to be troll then I go guinsoo's Twitch jungle. It actually works.

It isn't that "overpowered." Like the drawback is that you have to farm for about 20 minutes when you go devour. So it takes up about half the game. Then you start to dominate. For gunisoos, it is good on many champs. But you can go on other stuff for other champions. Like for Fizz . I mean it works, but you can just go hourglass and rabadons with maybe like a rod of ages.

TahmKench Expert1 votes

Suddenly Yi is OP because of the item selection? He was always like this.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

True damage and Alpha strike CDR are on-hit effects. Sated Ghost is doubling those effects. And his ult lets him bypass Attack speed slows. Rageblade improves his healing and gives him AoE damage.

Not saying he wasn't stupid before. But Sated isn't helping.

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