The AP item changes have thrown me way off in game

Neidox·Nov 13, 2015·61 votes·2,924 views

When I'm at a certain point in the game I feel like I should have my Zhonyas. I have all of my components and 500gold, but its 1050 now for some reason. So now I'm at a point in the game where I need that item (lol yasuo and adcs) but I can't get it. The game is shorter and snowballs out of control faster, but it takes me longer to itemize. The build paths for some items are wonky now. AP junglers also feel different. Gromp almost killed me when I was jungling Nidalee. Before the changes I could solo him and then move to blue. Now I require a leash if I want to do blue afterwards. The new potions and new jungle items feel absurdly week for AP. Nothing feels right anymore in the game. These crit monsters ramp up so fast its damn near impossible to keep up with them.

27 Comments

SonicSalemNov 13, 201514 votes

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A Miss FortuneNov 14, 20151 votes

It's not just AP Mids that use it, I use it frequently as ADC to counter assassins like Yasuo too. Everyone's focusing the 10-0 Caitlyn until she Zhonya's and the entire teamfight is all messed up.

NilokerasNov 14, 20152 votes

My problem lately is seeing more ADs mid, including Graves. They deal such high initial damage at the start compared to APs. We have to build items to counter that damage, but at the same time build items to deal damage. They just continue with building more damage and no defenses. Not having too much fun lately :/

JofeyyNov 14, 20156 votes

This is exactly how i feel. AP mage mains have been shafted so hard

QuortNov 14, 20153 votes

I'm really enjoying AP support right now though!

A LiberalNov 14, 20152 votes

Yeah, being a heavy magic dealing AP user on an all AD team vs and all AD team has it's perks (READ: Nobody builds MR)

QuortNov 15, 20151 votes

I've been destroying people with Zyra! x3

Werewolf LinkNov 14, 20155 votes

AP mids are in a poor spot. They increased the cost of all their items, while decreasing the cost of a ton of AD ones. So AD champions are getting their items before AP champs, AD champs already having an advantage of being able to last hit easier and without mana expenditure AND CAN PUSH THE NEW SQUISHY TOWERS FASTER. So AD Champs scale faster than AP Champs, and games end by 25 mins.

Robbit MangNov 13, 20152 votes

dont forget that they added MR to some of the camps, while removing the armor from a lot of them! that's probably why gromp almost killed you

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbNov 13, 20151 votes

you run things that aren't mpen reds?

DylightfullNov 13, 20152 votes

Hey, at least those champs got either mana regen or more base mana. Some of them were completely ignored. A poor W-maxing Heimerdinger can't make it on his own anymore...

MegamanEXE79Nov 13, 20152 votes

They're trying to enforce the meta /s

LegalisskullNov 14, 20152 votes

Just got out of a rumble game where the exact same thing happened to me. I wanted to finish off my hourglass but the price increase meant I couldn't get it which caused a good play that could have been a double kill into a death and the loss of a tower+inhib.

I know drastic changes are kinda the whole theme of pre-season, but it always amazes me how one thing tends to be buffed while another simultaneously nerfed causing the gap in power to grow much more substantially instead of just doing 1.

Darth WestNov 13, 20151 votes

Fiddlesticks : Hi. summoner 11 summoner 4

diamondthreeNov 14, 20151 votes

If you're trying to in some way imply Fiddle was benefitted by this patch...

...you're just wrong. He's taken a huge indirect nerf this patch. He was my most-played champ for the past 2 years, and now, I'm pretty much done with him unless something changes to make him relevant again.

Jungle Lux GodNov 14, 20152 votes

FIddlesticks got a starting jungle item that isn't nearly as bad as the old Machete was on him.

Which isn't saying much because Hunter's Talisman is bad in general, so it doesn't compensate to all the nerfs to AP items and everything else that hurt him super hard, but at least he got something.

diamondthreeNov 15, 20151 votes

it's the increased MR on jungle camps. I can't do a sneaky level 4 drag anymore, for example. It used to be a standard thing I did with jungle Fiddle.

A LiberalNov 14, 20151 votes

Fiddlesticks support is in such a good place right now though, he works really well with new frostfang, has better mana costs than most mage supports, and is a great counter for all these AD casters. (Drain channels through yasuo's ult.... so juicy)

I'll admit, I haven't played him jungle this patch, but try him out as a support.

RisenDarkKnightNov 13, 20151 votes

The new potion is actually amazing on ap. It gives you 175 mana each back plus 35 mana for each camp you clear. That's more than you would get from mana potions + hunter's talisman gives you 150% mana regen while in jungle. The ap item nerfs are really rough, dont' get me wrong, but don't underestimate hunter's potion.

ks916Nov 13, 20151 votes

I feel like im having trouble hitting my powerspikes, I'm getting items way too late compared to and adc, & top. They get decent spikes and it feels like as an ap unless you get ahead your just lagging behind with everything being more expensive.

MortalButtNov 14, 20151 votes

Things will hopefully even out dude. I've been feeling the same way on the item thing, thinking i have enough then realizing i don't. But it's preseason and it's always been rocky, this one is just more than the usual rough start.

AuryielNov 14, 20151 votes

Can't wait to look at the win rates when champion.gg updates with stats of 5.22...

I'm thinking it'll confirm what we all feel, that APs are much weaker overall, but I'd be kind of relieved if that was statistically wrong.

kaltenashesNov 14, 20151 votes

for jungle, try going item 1041 and item 2031 , dont bother buying hunter's talisman (i mean just save gold enough to get the 2nd tier) and upgrade the potion to item 2032

in my opinion, hunter's talisman is really a bad first item for jungler

ChaosThiefNov 14, 20151 votes

Don't go item 2031 unless you are an insanely powerful jungler.

It's 200 hp total compared to 450 if you bought 3 hp potions, not counting if you have the biscuit mastery.

kaltenashesNov 14, 20151 votes

i've played diana,xin and shyvana and they worked pretty well with this setup... why would you have the biscuit mastery? on junglers i'm using the buff duration mastery

plus the hunter's potion is really great item, grabbing scuttler is now just for vision

ChaosThiefNov 14, 20151 votes

Diana does have a shield and her passive, xin has his W passive and shyvana does have good clear.

Trying to use it on some other junglers (some tank junglers) may not work out as well.

kaltenashesNov 14, 20151 votes

you got me XD, i need to try Evelynn , i dont play her since they added 40 mana on her w (not that i'm against, i barely used this spell, i just didnt play her since)