This is getting out of hand.

Electro522·Dec 2, 2018·87 votes·19,449 views

https://i.imgur.com/osoJTgr.png?1

Oh, and guess who won? You'll never guess it, I swear.

91 Comments

ProjecLDec 2, 201858 votes

Maybe you would have won the game if your team's keystones weren't complete garbage? Yeah Dark Harvest is too strong right now, but c'mon, Conqueror on Twitch? Comet on Morgana when both Aery and DH exist?

Ben SwoIoDec 2, 201819 votes

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Maybe you would have won the game if your team's keystones weren't complete garbage? Yeah Dark Harvest is too strong right now, but c'mon, Conqueror on Twitch? Comet on Morgana when both Aery and DH exist?

To be fair, I won a lot of games using comet on Morgana (before switching to Aery.)

BretonnianDec 3, 201817 votes

Losing games because weaker runes. Ya thats a strategy game lmao. Woops didnt pick the most broken shit, i deserve loss

Cait MainDec 3, 201816 votes

Sees conqueror twitch jg

Ah yes dark harvest op pls nerf.

ProjecLDec 3, 20184 votes

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Losing games because weaker runes. Ya thats a strategy game lmao. Woops didnt pick the most broken shit, i deserve loss

There is a difference between picking weak runes and straight up picking useless runes like Conqueror on an ADC (except Draven).

aezensDec 3, 20183 votes

I´d asume you didn´t play Morgana before. She doesn´t have a single spell below 10sec cooldown why would you use aery on her? q+w combo are perfect to reduce comet cooldown by a decent amount as well. DH is viable but you miss a lot of good runes in sorcery tree for her.

ProjecLDec 3, 20184 votes

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I´d asume you didn´t play Morgana before. She doesn´t have a single spell below 10sec cooldown why would you use aery on her? q+w combo are perfect to reduce comet cooldown by a decent amount as well. DH is viable but you miss a lot of good runes in sorcery tree for her.

You can W poke with Aery, if you try to poke with W comet it will miss because Comet relies on CC to hit. Initial damage of R will also proc and miss Comet.

Also you can proc Aery with AAs, which is what you should be doing a lot with a support that get's Spellthiefs.

aezensDec 4, 20181 votes

Still it´s wasted potential your w poke is very weak even with aery and her aa range is one the lowest of all mages. That´s not the reason you want to play Morgana. Her strength is poke with binding or all in with ultimate and comet is far superior there.

Also it´s more difficult but not impossible to hit comet with w or ultimate. You need timing but if you know when and how to hit enemies with comet is more rewarding.

The only time I´d pick aery over comet is when I´m support and the enemy team is magic damage and cc heavy.

rayzoDec 4, 20181 votes

He can't pick his teammates' keystones for them.

Rabbi ShekelbergDec 4, 20181 votes

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Maybe you would have won the game if your team's keystones weren't complete garbage? Yeah Dark Harvest is too strong right now, but c'mon, Conqueror on Twitch? Comet on Morgana when both Aery and DH exist?

what's wrong with comet on morgana? it goes well with all 3 of her abilities

The entire teamDec 2, 201830 votes

PLOT TWIST! Nobody did. They were all losers cuz they had an afk on both teams.

KVbqbFsC8eDec 2, 201820 votes

The team that didn't have JG Twitch who did 4.6k damage in a 31 minute game.

Bliss OceanDec 2, 201818 votes

Honor the enemy Jax . Didn't run Dark Harvest

FlashesDec 3, 20187 votes

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Honor the enemy Jax . Didn't run Dark Harvest

wait a sec...

that's conqueror tho

Bliss OceanDec 3, 20186 votes

and this point Conqueror is a more respectable Keystone than this filth known as Dark Harvest.

Zach xDDec 2, 201818 votes

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https://i.imgur.com/osoJTgr.png?1

Oh, and guess who won? You'll never guess it, I swear.

Team 2 did, because Graves and Jax were open.

Mc RatonDec 2, 201815 votes

Dark Harvest is annoying as everyone take it and mass spam dark harvest proc on the same target , specially on bot lane 4 man gank..

Janna Me FiddleDec 3, 20181 votes

Thing that annoys me is people that bring it into draft if they aren't jungling.

It's like, okay we get it, it's busted, go abuse that stuff in ranked and stop stinking up normals with it.

oortoomeebreesuuDec 3, 20182 votes

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Thing that annoys me is people that bring it into draft if they aren't jungling.

It's like, okay we get it, it's busted, go abuse that stuff in ranked and stop stinking up normals with it.

the only thing that bothers me queueing up for normals is when I'm like "ah, alright not the lane I wanted, that's cool I've been meaning to try playing this ch- what's that? mastery 14 riven against me? well this loading screen is the most fun i'll have this game"

too hard to know what i'm coming into, the god mains or the goofs. normally theres one or two on each side, but lately i've been seeing just mind blowing hardcore one sided games

NeëkoDec 3, 20184 votes

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a reason they changed DH was to make it more friendly to laners?

Janna Me FiddleDec 7, 20181 votes

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a reason they changed DH was to make it more friendly to laners?

There's friendly to laners and there was the poor balance state of DH where it was proccing off items, it's fixed now though.

Slythrin UmbreonDec 2, 201813 votes

People keep trying to talk about Dark harvest not synergyzing with champions kits and I just don't get it. First of all, it doesn't have any synergy problems, literally anything can proc it. And second, they completely miss the point: If you proc it twice on the same person, it's damn near impossible to fail to kill them. Spreading it out like this guarantees getting the double proc in any fight, enabling every champion to get the reset and snowball out of control. Both botlanners should almost always have it, mid and top should consider it if the jungler has it.

Slythrin UmbreonDec 2, 20184 votes

if anything, maybe consider having it have a cooldown/per champion it's been procd on.

GrReaper96Dec 3, 20184 votes

Not to mention DH synergizes crazy well with Twitches passive

BeersteinDec 2, 20188 votes

My money is on the better team.

Dope SoloDec 2, 20188 votes

It's not just DH, its the condition it was released in. Well, here's a hotfix...and here's a nerf planned....but what does it say about the gameplay team to have released it in this condition in the first place? To me is says they're out of touch, and have no idea what they're doing. Lets just remove all outplay potential in league and reduce health bars by half.

BisaknospDec 3, 20187 votes

conqueror twitch hahahaha

Necro Warrior87Dec 2, 20186 votes

Now there are 4 of them!

zolikingDec 2, 20185 votes

Can I guess? Riot won.

GravesingerDec 3, 20185 votes

I'm gonna go ahead and say it's probably on the back of Conqueror Twitch JG who managed to be a lower level than the ADC at the end of the game

mack9112Dec 2, 20183 votes

Well tbh graves jungle smashes twitch jungle

Anu3isIIDec 3, 20183 votes

The team that didn't get Twitch jungle...

He may be good, but not in that team comp with no real tank and only a Morgana to protect 3 carries.

DH just amplified how bad your team comp was.

MasterDCloneDec 3, 20183 votes

the conq twitch jg was not doing you any favors lol, neither was the ashe pic, plus there teamcomp has way more overpowered champs lol

BLACK REALM GODDec 2, 20182 votes

the team that had flash on all 5 champs. oh wait...

NevrankroatonDec 3, 20182 votes

What don't prove us that you just played very badly and that a rune made for snowballing actually snowballed and made the winning team get even more ahead and win the game?

DH is too strong but come on. It is like me showing a game with camilly, leblanc and like lucian in front of me, showing that I lost and said "WOW LOOK, SUCH A PROOF THEY ARE BROKEN" when I actually played like shit...

MrNuclearPumpkinDec 3, 20181 votes

I'm gonna say the team with Veigar won.

Hajime SaitoDec 3, 20181 votes

only in aram

IllabetheDec 3, 20181 votes

Here's my opinion on the new Dark Harvest: Let it be a nub trap.

Dark Harvest isn't actually that strong in its new incarnation, except on very few scaling champions, like Veigar, or supports who abuse their "Existence" takedowns to reset it, and also have a pretty strong single target poke, like Sona.

In most cases, it's doing less than other viable runes on the same champions, but people are picking it anyways.

Compare a Sorcery based Lissandra to a DH based Lissandra. There's no comparison: the Sorcery build is better. DH just doesn't proc on her kit enough to be viable, and her assassinations are almost entirely tied to her ult cooldown.

You can stack it fairly easily, but even at 20 stacks, it's worse in most cases than Electrocute, and the conditions to proc DH are far less effective than "can proc at any HP level" Electrocute.

There are far more champ kits that abuse "Missing HP" damage than "Max HP damage" and Electrocute caters to them far more, because it helps them get there.

The only frequently used kit that I can think of that actually caters more to DH than Electrocute is Evelynn , because her E can do up to about 90% HP Max HP damage, which makes DH really easy to use. But....... if she does that much already, why does she need DH?

ΗuaweiDec 3, 20181 votes

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Here's my opinion on the new Dark Harvest: Let it be a nub trap.

Dark Harvest isn't actually that strong in its new incarnation, except on very few scaling champions, like Veigar, or supports who abuse their "Existence" takedowns to reset it, and also have a pretty strong single target poke, like Sona.

In most cases, it's doing less than other viable runes on the same champions, but people are picking it anyways.

Compare a Sorcery based Lissandra to a DH based Lissandra. There's no comparison: the Sorcery build is better. DH just doesn't proc on her kit enough to be viable, and her assassinations are almost entirely tied to her ult cooldown.

You can stack it fairly easily, but even at 20 stacks, it's worse in most cases than Electrocute, and the conditions to proc DH are far less effective than "can proc at any HP level" Electrocute.

There are far more champ kits that abuse "Missing HP" damage than "Max HP damage" and Electrocute caters to them far more, because it helps them get there.

The only frequently used kit that I can think of that actually caters more to DH than Electrocute is , because her E can do up to about 90% HP Max HP damage, which makes DH really easy to use. But....... if she does that much already, why does she need DH?

Man, try dark harvest on Zyra and see how broken it is.

I get 25+ stacks in most games and i can sit back and watch my plants proc it after each reset and get stacks and kills. Not to mention how broken it is for Karthus as well

At 20 stacks you get comparable damage to electrocute and more. Anything beyond that number is stronger than electrocute and has the possibility to trigger way more times cause of the cooldown reset

IllabetheDec 3, 20181 votes

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Man, try dark harvest on Zyra and see how broken it is.

I get 25+ stacks in most games and i can sit back and watch my plants proc it after each reset and get stacks and kills. Not to mention how broken it is for Karthus as well

At 20 stacks you get comparable damage to electrocute and more. Anything beyond that number is stronger than electrocute and has the possibility to trigger way more times cause of the cooldown reset

I've tried both. Electrocute works better.

I jungle.... top..... support Zyra.

Although the damage is fine, it doesn't actually do anything Electrocute doesn't, and Zyra doesn't always get her resets, because her CC is short, her skills are delayed.

In this case, my problem is the early game Zyra uses to snowball. Electrocute snowballs her. DH doesn't. Late game they're generally both fine. Early game, Electrocute wins.

ΗuaweiDec 3, 20181 votes

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I've tried both. Electrocute works better.

I jungle.... top..... support Zyra.

Although the damage is fine, it doesn't actually do anything Electrocute doesn't, and Zyra doesn't always get her resets, because her CC is short, her skills are delayed.

In this case, my problem is the early game Zyra uses to snowball. Electrocute snowballs her. DH doesn't. Late game they're generally both fine. Early game, Electrocute wins.

Jungle zyra is ok. After lvl 3 you have very fast clears but you can get counter jungled very easily so i wouldnt recommend that for more serious games.

I ran electro on zyra the whole S8 so i know it's good but believe me, DH is miles better for zyra.

IllabetheDec 3, 20181 votes

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Jungle zyra is ok. After lvl 3 you have very fast clears but you can get counter jungled very easily so i wouldnt recommend that for more serious games.

I ran electro on zyra the whole S8 so i know it's good but believe me, DH is miles better for zyra.

I play Jungle Zyra at Diamond II (not my forum account)

I'll agree to disagree on DH vs Electrocute.

Why Zyra works in high ranks: You don't have to commit to a fight, or a camp. Your seedlings can do the last bit per camp for you. You can even farm over a wall, without any reprisal, unless you run out of plants, which will result in a reset. If someone invades you, like with ANY jungle invade, you CC and get out.

Zyra doesn't need pots to start a game in jungle either, which is why I start with 2 item 2055 . I know when I'm going to get invaded because I have 2 if not 3 Vision points (Control ward, Stealth Ward, and a Poro potentially), and even have a replacement for one if one gets destroyed!

Radiant WukongDec 3, 20181 votes

I'm going with the conqueror Fiora team.

GilgayuDec 4, 20181 votes

All I'm looking at is that both supports are taking their adc's farm At that point it really isn't about DH anymore [zombie-brand-clap] ...

Flagrant Zed EgoDec 4, 20181 votes

DH has been sensationalized in lower elo, it simply is not as effective as people want to believe. Less damage then electrocute until ~20min unless you are feeding stacks, in which case you are losing anyways. Its a "Win more" rune in my opinion and because of that people feel like they can blame it because they are losing in a situation where they would have lost to elec as well shrug Is it too strong, especially on already powerful champs? Yes, is it why you lost that specific game? Certainly not.

ParoeDec 4, 20181 votes

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DH has been sensationalized in lower elo, it simply is not as effective as people want to believe. Less damage then electrocute until ~20min unless you are feeding stacks, in which case you are losing anyways. Its a "Win more" rune in my opinion and because of that people feel like they can blame it because they are losing in a situation where they would have lost to elec as well shrug Is it too strong, especially on already powerful champs? Yes, is it why you lost that specific game? Certainly not.

Especially in its current form. On release DH was to strong, but its in a good place now.

Everyone complaining about "MULTIPLE PROCS ON ONE PERSON" doesnt understand how the keystone functions.