After being broken for almost 9 months, camille gets a -0.2% base as nerf

Rexxiee·Nov 28, 2018·39 votes·11,332 views

Its 5ms irelia and 0.25s zoe all over again.

Camille, the champion who can more or less completely bypass the attack speed stat with her 80% steroid on E AND TWO AA RESETS on the kit on a low CD, builds a single item that gives AS (trinity) so that makes the nerf even less relevant, by lvl 18 shes losing like 3% as, which is like 1/4th of a dagger, wow a nerf!

Im sure this will "balance" the abomination that is camille, a super powercreeped diver that has almost no weaknesses.

Give her a real nerf riot FFS.

23 Comments

BârdNov 28, 201826 votes

Not exactly.

They didn't reduce her bonus attack speed by 3%. That's the stat you buy from the shop with daggers and the like.

They reduced her base attack speed by 3%. You can't buy that stat.

If they reduced her bonus AS by a flat 3% that would mean nothing since that's only worth 100g.

What this does is it reduces the value of any bonus attack speed she buys by 3%.

Still not a massive nerf, but it's an important distinction.

RexxieeNov 28, 201813 votes

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Not exactly.

They didn't reduce her bonus attack speed by 3%. That's the stat you buy from the shop with daggers and the like.

They reduced her base attack speed by 3%. You can't buy that stat.

If they reduced her bonus AS by a flat 3% that would mean nothing since that's only worth 100g.

What this does is it reduces the value of any bonus attack speed she buys by 3%.

Still not a massive nerf, but it's an important distinction.

I know that, i mean with THAT in mind she'll lose around 3 to 4% as by the end of the game.

Because she only buys a SINGLE item that gives AS (trinity) this nerf is pretty irrelevant.

FaieNov 29, 201812 votes

No, base attack speed also affects how much she gets from leveling up, so it's a greater nerf than that.

IfnethNov 28, 20182 votes

Base vs bonus attack speed is all the same. They multiply to get the effective number.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 29, 20182 votes

Not actually. Base AS is the number bonus AS is based off of.

Sure, if you only have one source of AS (leveling up), it's all the same number. But as soon as you add a second source of bonus AS (Such as Triforce) base AS becomes significantly more valuable.

IfnethNov 30, 20181 votes

Wait, what? Isn’t your displayed Attack Speed equal to Base x Bonus?

DuskDaUmbreonNov 30, 20181 votes

You are correct. But nerfing base AS and nerfing AS growth have two vastly different outcomes.

If you have a item 3085 and item 3153 , a total AS growth of 20% at level 18, and a base AS of .625, your actual AS is (100%+40%+25%+20%=185%)*.625=1.16 AS. AS gained from levels is always bonus AS (except maybe for Jhin, as he's a special case), which is always a percent, although it can be expressed as a flat number (as it's always the same amount of total AS).

Nerfing AS per level doesn't affect the tAS gained from items and runes and whatnot. Again, looking at our example: If we reduce the AS per level by 50% (from 20% to 10%), our total AS is 175%*.625, or 1.09 AS. Not a huge difference, and unlikely to make an impact overall.

However, if we instead nerf the base AS by 50%, down to .3125, our tAS in our example is only .578.

It was a bit confusing to me at first, too. Took me a bit to learn that myself. So don't feel bad. ^w^

FlashesNov 29, 20181 votes

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Not exactly.

They didn't reduce her bonus attack speed by 3%. That's the stat you buy from the shop with daggers and the like.

They reduced her base attack speed by 3%. You can't buy that stat.

If they reduced her bonus AS by a flat 3% that would mean nothing since that's only worth 100g.

What this does is it reduces the value of any bonus attack speed she buys by 3%.

Still not a massive nerf, but it's an important distinction.

Oh ok I thought they nerfed her base attack speed by an ACTUAL 0.2% and I was thinking: "What the fuck"

Spank the FoxNov 28, 20189 votes

The point is to nerf her jungle clear.

Not her dueling ability.

Camille’s jungle clear is garbage. This makes it worse

GayFluffyUnicornNov 28, 20182 votes

No this is balance team at their finest who have NO clue about their own game.

base AS nerfs hit top camille even more than jungle camille.

If base AS would be so relevant for the jungle maokai would be a top tier jungle instead he beats everyone to death in toplane because of his retarded base AS/AD.

Camille can't trade with her E anymore after the massive nerfs, camille can now trade even less toplane. Noone cares about slowing her jungle down a bit won't change a bit about her permagank ability.

But whatever riot decided camille is a jungler now so i will never be able to play her top in the future. Riot decides now how champs are played. Camille just follows olaf, jarvan, heca, shyvana and so many more.

Doesn't matter to riot that camille is super fuckin toxic in the jungle opposed to toplane.

LTK KoRoNov 28, 20186 votes

Being "broken" lol

Camille isn't broken, just shitty players (especially midlaners) can't adapt to the red->gank route of the Camille. Her jungle clear is the WORST but yeah, let's complain because early game ganker can gank stuff. Do you complain about Xin or Lee ganks too?

SalronNov 28, 201830 votes

I guess all the challenger and masters players that are picking her constantly are just playing against shitty players then right?

JaegaerNov 29, 20181 votes

lol so true

SSW TalonNov 29, 20181 votes

Yes people complain about Xin ganks because he, too, has been busted for a while now

And yes, Camille has been a problem for a while now. Not the biggest problem but problem enough to maybe hit Q2 damage a little bit as that's probably the most frustrating part of her kit to deal with. However at this point, any nerf is welcome.

saltranNov 29, 20181 votes

Dude...she is strong as a jungler in all elos and also on pro play, she's even getting a IG skin since their jungler Ning already said that he picked her.

Fire BlaustoiseNov 29, 20181 votes

Do you know if Theshy choose between Aatrox and Fiora ?

saltranNov 29, 20181 votes

I know that he wanted Riven but he isn't allowed to pick her since he didn't played her even once, but I think that he hasn't confirmed his skin yet.

ArammusNov 29, 20184 votes

I TOLD YOU GUYS!!! I FUCKING SAID IT! i said "i bet they nerf AKALI in some bullshit way they did with irelia/zoe just to piss us off some more" i was wrong on the champ, but i was totally correct with riot spitting in our faces once again. "oh we dont get why our community is so angry at us spit i dont see the problem man" gotta love to hate riot.

Fire BlaustoiseNov 29, 20184 votes

I saw this on Wukong subreddit.

-3 ad Graves

-3% atk spd Camille -5 movement speed Irelia

+0.25 cooldown Zoe

-40 damage Wukong

[sg-miss-fortune] ....[sg-lux-2]

BjørnetjenestenNov 29, 20183 votes

Camille, the champion who can more or less completely bypass the attack speed stat with her 80% steroid on E AND TWO AA RESETS on the kit on a low CD, builds a single item that gives AS (trinity) so that makes the nerf even less relevant, by lvl 18 shes losing like 3% as, which is like 1/4th of a dagger, wow a nerf!

Its clearly a nerf to her strong early game jungle.. ; So why the fuck would you mention her lvl 18 AS and 80% AS on E at rank 5. Its only 40% on rank 1, and only aplied on champions.. not jungle camps.

Triforce is the most expensive item and she usually buys it after item 1412 and item 1001 without ever buying item 3101 . She is gonna have slower jungle clears until she gets 5k+ gold.

Its obviously a sensible nerf, that is gonna move her slightly down the ladder without gutting her. The problem is you people post false and biased shit everywhere on the boards and expect every champion you dont like to get gutted while your main gets buffed to 100% banrate.

Fucking pathetic, this company might be a complete joke now, but the playerbase is not better.

Saitho OriharaNov 29, 20181 votes

Base Attack Speed nerf for Junglers are a pretty big deal, it's slows her clear and the value she gets from Attack Speed items or buff by 3%.

Meaning it also hits her Attack Speed boost from hitting an E.

LordGeovanniNov 29, 20181 votes

Camille nerfs wont do anything because she is Still doing massive true damage on second Q instead of mostly physical damage and partial true damage otherwise camille is a champion that enables other champions with her stun and ult not a dangerous threat her self except that youcant counter build her beacause her massive true damage proc.