I have problems with his stupid safe laning phase where we can poke easily, push easily and them roam. also, he can buy sustain and eat shitloads of poke while killing you because energy is not very gating on laning phase. Stop with this stupid changes like AS change or ult , and focus on what is really stupid about zed : extremely safe laning phase while being able to poke.
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They're nerfing his ult? If they are then that's stupid, his ult is very underpowered unless you land all your skillshots and the pause before damage allows tons of counterplay(zhonya's, shields etc)
he will need one sec before using his ult shadow.
Rand0mH3r0X10 votesIt's to stop him from diving under towers. If he ulted you under tower, he'd follow you, deal some damage, R away and W to safety. Zed being good at assassination is "unhealthy" because of how easily he destroyed other assassins. Now if Katarina ults, he has to stand in it. If Zed ults a Yas prepping a tornado, he now has to suffer a crit, s-shiv, and ult. His nerfs benefit other assassins. Hard CC counters won't be who this benefits.
Battlecast Sona1 votesSo you mean Zed can't instantly juke out of my charm after ulting and then re-engage with W shadow while my charm is down?
Seems totally fine to me.
btw.. if you're Zed and you're ulting a Yasuo with his whirlwind up, the problem is not with the ultimate, it is with you as a player. I always try to bait out CC BEFORE using my ultimate. This just prevents the RQER instaburst gameplay with no response, which I 100% approve.
DropFill1 votesIt's to stop him from diving under towers. If he ulted you under tower, he'd follow you, deal some damage, R away and W to safety. Zed being good at assassination is "unhealthy" because of how easily he destroyed other assassins. Now if Katarina ults, he has to stand in it. If Zed ults a Yas prepping a tornado, he now has to suffer a crit, s-shiv, and ult. His nerfs benefit other assassins. Hard CC counters won't be who this benefits.
but zed can only tower dive if he is extremely ahead OR if you are low and you are only low or behind because of his bs laning phase, not because his ult power itself.
hazerddex1 votesbut zed can only tower dive if he is extremely ahead OR if you are low and you are only low or behind because of his bs laning phase, not because his ult power itself.
he ults people at full hp undertower and decimates there hp then r and w's away and his ult or ignite finishes them and hes completely safe fiora does not get a free get out of jail card so why should zed get special treatment?
Mooing Kev2 votesZed with lvl 6 ult can't 100-0 unless the enemy stands absolutely still and you get triple qs and a bunch of autos. Most zeds tower dive if you are 50 percent or less for the free passive proc. If you are not confident with your mechanics and you're below half hp, why are u even still under turret? Also since when was zed the only assassin who can tower dive and burst you at low hp? Talon can ezly burst you down from a much higher hp threshhold, around 60-70 percent if you have ignite and his burst is near instantaneous. Leblanc has 2 dashes and 2 dash-backs while kats get another shunpo if they get the kill/assist. Riot has shown from time to time their balancing sucks ass and always misses the point. An ideal nerf for zed would have been making his passive proc only on champs, reduce ratios on his w since it is pretty unnecessary and maybe reduce the cd reduction on w with e from 2>1second.
Wheatloaf1 votesRiot actually prefers assassins to have a way to get out after their job is done. In Zed's case, they just decided they didn't want it being quite as free as it was. Given I main the sort of immobile mages Zed loves dumping on, I'm not entirely unhappy with the change.
Mecha MaIphite1 votesHe can dive you when you're at about 1/2 hp. If a Talon or Akali dives you then, you can drop your ignite and a few abilities and you might even live. Even if you don't you're likely to get a kill in return unless they burn flash. With Zed, he can ult and throw his W, R out to dodge all your abilities and go back in with his W. He can also W up to you and start attacking you, ult to dodge an ability and R back out to dodge another or to shake off the tower.
badooga3 votesMaybe if Riot does the same thing they did to 
wind slash and its missile speed to 
shurikens. Do that and/or raise its cooldown, and/or make it cost more energy, and/or give it a longer cast time so that you can dodge it more easily.
badooga1 votesI generally think that should be known more as a "safe" assassin, but considering his ability to delete targets so easily I think his damage should be ramped down a bit. I mean if he has little risk, he should have little reward too, right?
Solaxo1 votesIt's to stop him from diving under towers. If he ulted you under tower, he'd follow you, deal some damage, R away and W to safety. Zed being good at assassination is "unhealthy" because of how easily he destroyed other assassins. Now if Katarina ults, he has to stand in it. If Zed ults a Yas prepping a tornado, he now has to suffer a crit, s-shiv, and ult. His nerfs benefit other assassins. Hard CC counters won't be who this benefits.
Wow a whole second. That will definitely prevent him from diving /sarcasm
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesWow a whole second. That will definitely prevent him from diving /sarcasm
I wrote this right before a Red himself said it. Check the patch notes as well as they weren't released immediately with the patch. This makes Zed have to "think" about making a risky decision. He'll get the kill anyways, but he might die doing it.
Joe Dredd3 voteshe can buy sustain and eat shitloads of poke wow i wonder who else can do that
Desiderium2 votesThis is probably one of the worst balance decisions they've ever made.
I'm fine with undeserved nerfs to his damage, deserved nerfs to his waveclear as long as they don't affect his assassination power (E cooldown nerf and W shadow speed nerf affected his assassination power and were wrong) but removing his outplayability, his potential, his adaptability, his mechanics, his skillcap...all in that ONE single second...is WRONG. This is not how you balance. This is how you take away fun and gameplay. This isn't where you're supposed to nerf. This has to not go through.
Battlecast Sona8 votesSo RQER with no response available due to the rapidity of it (less than 1 second) is fun for the opposing team?
OH MAN, you mean ZED HAS TO ACTUALLY THINK TO OUTPLAY PEOPLE?
People like you are the reason I hate Zed. Pushing R when you get rekt immediately after ulting someone isn't "outplay", it's "overpowered". LeBlanc shouldn't be able to do it either - the ability to instantly reposition like that is insane, especially with R giving Zed TWO shadows to play with. This just means that you can't swap to W shadow, R, burst, and then swap back to R instantly safely. You actually have to risk yourself for your reward. Which is, you know, healthy assassin gameplay.
Now let's do LeBlanc next.
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesNow let's do LeBlanc next.
Le Blanc is annoying as hell. But I'd rather have her in the game than the shit that's coming in from Riot. Le Blanc can render each and every new champion coming out completly useless by exemplifying that they take too damn long and are complicated.
I'm not sure why you support this, then again you started your account last year. You don't understand this game, you just want it to change to suit your needs. You, and all other people like you destroy the game.
Battlecast Sona2 votesI have been playing since Season 1.
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesSo have I. But you obviously represent the silver/gold player majority that everybody hates.
Battlecast Sona2 votesbecause I think that Zed's ultimate is unhealthy and support a change Riot made?
God forbid I think the company that makes the game I've been playing for years actually sometimes knows how to balance their game. Adding counterplay to Zed that isn't dependant on items is important anyway, since the only way to counter Zed right now is to make Zhonya's or QSS. It also removes a fed Zed's ability to instantly blow someone up and escape to safety, and forces him to play safer with his W shadow. If you're REALLY that upset about it, just set a W shadow before you ult and escape to that. It just forces you to use an ACTUAL escape if you need an oh-shit button, and requires forethought and game knowledge... WHICH IS GOOD.
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesMy Words : Your Words ratio says who's really mad.
I don't care about the 1sec Zed nerf. I care about all the new buffs coming to APC and AP Tanks. Removing quick oves is what makes CC and CC evasion the strongest influential thing in League of Legends right now. The DPS items coming out, slowed down League, and removal of AD bruisers is what I predicted would be the end of League. At least for me. You'll win eventually.
Verxint4 votesThe fact that your first argument was "lol u mad bro" pretty much negates anything else you had to say.
SmokinSickStyle1 votesTry to ult back as Zed when you fuck up and ult in a bad situation, try to do that with the amount of stuns that are going to be thrown at you, i dare you, I DOUBLE DARE YOU.
LB is actually worse, if she wants she instantly kills you without having to be even close, she's also ranged, Zed doesn't have that luxury.
Battlecast Sona2 votesBro, I've done it, I've seen people do it...
What stuns?
Like, how do you stun a Zed when he's only there for .5 seconds? Unless you're Leona or someone with a delayed stun, you're out of luck. Like, what, you're going to Malz ultimate him? You're going to.... Play 5 tanks so you have enough stuns to somehow catch him? The major problem though is that Zed doesn't even HAVE to burst you - he can ult and then instantly shadow if he gets counter engaged on. This is too much freedom, especially because this by itself can be incredibly useful for your team - Zed ults in, sees the team collapse, ults out, and your team counter engages. Zed didn't assassinate anyone but they wasted CC trying to lock you down.
Zed has too many options to be considered a "healthy" assassin. And again, let's do the same thing to LeBlanc next. I've always thought it stupid that you can just blink on people for damage, and it removes a lot of the potential skillfloor for playing LeBlanc (you don't have to land chains to pop mimicked sigil). This wouldn't effect her in competitive play much (as they generally are using the W return for juking and they hit their chains fairly regularly) but it would prevent LeBlanc from hitting 6 and just pressing WRW to do half or more of your health with no response. These are unhealthy play patterns.
SmokinSickStyle1 votesLB is 3 times more toxic than Zed will ever be, she's bursts in less than a second that's why she needs it.
Zed instead, not only has this mechanic on ult AN ULT FFS, but needs to commit for more time than LB will ever do.
It's not fair in my opinion, trust me that this nerf is not changing anything for most of Zeds matchups as he only commits for less than a second when last hitting someone with ult or killing someone when fed because he doesn't need a prolonged combo to have reasons to stay more than half second.
The only damage done is limiting Zed's combo arsenal by 1 because there are certain plays that need the instant ult back W back in to function properly, with this change it's just a big "INSERT SKILLSHOT RIGHT BEHIND YOU" target over the screen because he cannot dodge not even by predicting, there are obviously ways around it but they are an utopia, it will happen only in rare scenarios.
So, why is Zed being nerfed before LB on a mechanic that the latter has on a basic ability that does instant huge AOE damage that can be used twice with one having MORE damage than the previous on a 1\10th of the CD Zed has? Again she also bursts 3 times faster than Zed does.
If it wasn't enough, if LB fucks up she becomes invisible and she splits into 2.
Who's the slippery uncatchable burst-all in less than a s bastard now?
LB is 10 times more broken than Zed will ever be, the only thing that Zed has over LB is being gated by energy, which is only good for lanephase.
LB is also AP and has access to the most OP item of all, Zhonya's OPbaitglass.
LB's only limit is mana, and guess what i do when i see a LB with 200 hp and a blue buff?
I give up on chasing her if i am not someone that has a targetted ability, because there's no way to ever catch that b!tch.
Verxint2 votesYou mean Zed has to look for safe opportunities to go in or he dies? Like almost every other assassin (except leblanc)?
Oh woe is you, I'm sure Zed will be unplayable now that he might actually die for making a bad decision.
There will be two kinds of Zeds when this change hits - those that have strategic sense and those that dont.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesI absolutely agree.
DONT NEEEED TEAM1 votesFuck riot he's my main fk fk f**k charging back all my rp $1000 i can use to play dota 2
BetaDude407 votesGood question would be why you've spent $1000 in this game...
badooga1 votesGood question, why are you responding when he is trolling?
BetaDude403 votesI dunno myself. I've never really understood why I love triggering trolls so much.
I dunno if it's some positive mental reaction to fake rage and falsified logic being rebutted by me, or if I just like saying things. I really don't think I'll ever know.
PL551 votesI've been observing all the hate Zed has been getting, and no one seems to come to a conclusion for why they hate him so much. Either they say that it's because he has a strong lane, he is too safe with his ultimate, or he has built in wave clear. Riot seriously will have trouble nerfing him if people on boards can't agree with what's wrong with him. One comment I sightly remember from about a month ago went like "I don't mind anything about Zed except his ultimate. How did they even think it was a good idea? The fact that he can commit into fighting but have a get out of jail free card with his teleport back to safety. I honestly think they best nerf to him is making his ultimate have a delay on it so he has to think when he ults" this had about 50 upvotes if someone remembers it and can find it would be nice. People were suggesting this change for so long that you heard about it in every qq thread and Riot actually put it in the game. If everyone on boards can't decide what's wrong with him they can't change him.
IcyPepper4 votesI've been observing all the hate Zed has been getting, and no one seems to come to a conclusion for why they hate him so much. Either they say that it's because he has a strong lane, he is too safe with his ultimate, or he has built in wave clear.
I think... that's the conclusion. There's never one clear-cut way to fix a champion, and not all champions have one problem at a time. Those are three different complaints Zed has, but the problem isn't them alone: it's them all-together that makes him frustrating. Instead of hitting all of them, Riot is hitting one to see how that goes, which I would consider reasonable.
PL551 votesPeople aren't saying all three of these complaints are problems, they are saying one of these is a problem the rest is not important. Just like in the OP,
Stop with this stupid changes like AS change or ult , and focus on what is really stupid about zed : extremely safe laning phase while being able to poke.
What the person is saying is nerfs to anything besides this one thing is stupid. A lot of comments about Zed aren't about all three of those complaints but only one. The OP said that the main problem to Zed was his laning and his ult nerf does not change anything. If Riot nerfed his laning I can guarantee you that there will be a post with the same amount of upvotes saying "The nerfs to his laning are going to make no progress, it won't change the fact that he gets insane burst from his ultimate along with so much safety that makes it so much unfair". People on boards have been asking for this exact single nerf for so long then there is this poster who says that it is unnecessary and gets many upvotes for it, that is the problem.
IcyPepper1 votesshrugs
People have differing opinions, and I observed it may be a combination of the three. People might think there's one specific problem with a champion, when it may be several (in this case, people would focus on one of the problems instead of the big picture). Balancing is not as simple as people would like it to be. Perfect balance, imo, would be completely impossible. There's parts of Zed that are frustrating to play against, and there's parts of Zed that might be frustrating to play with. I'm sure he's got weaknesses in his kits, and I'm sure he's got strengths, and I'm sure that he has his balancing issues just like everyone else.
Riot listened, and obviously they're not going to nerf all three issues people have with Zed for many reasons. Nerfing too things at once is a terrible idea, and sometimes we the playerbase are wrong (at balancing, but we are privileged to have our opinions on what's fun or not). So, they picked an issue and probably tested it or something and put it forward.
But anyway, people are going to focus on different things on a champion when it comes to balancing, and some of the problems, all of the problems, or none of the problems may be accurate. For instance, one person may say X champion is unkillable, and one person may say that champion kills too much. They could both be right, one could be right, or neither of them might be right. We're people, we're not always going to see everything the exact way another may, and differing opinions doesn't necessarily negate each other.
Mandang01 votesIt's cute that Riot believes in nerfing weaknesses rather than strengths, but they can't go with that all the time. Sometimes the strength is the problem, the strength is the part of the kit that people hate dealing with.
Nidalee SO NYAAA1 votesThey nerfed Ahri's damage and her range on her W and R because she was too safe. What about Zed?
Rikari1 votes 
its not zed.
its energy.
LordKentravyon1 votesi'm fine with it, i'm tired of cocky ass zeds getting out of stupid dives as soon as they realize that going in was a bad idea, any champion other then him and lb would be seeing a grey screen for mistakes of that caliber.
DarthSpectrum1 votesZed having a "safe" laning phase is only relative to other assassins. In return, he does not snow ball nearly as hard as the others.
As well, Energy is not necessary superior to Mana. People often back away after being hit by a spell, but against energy-users, that is the signal to engage or retaliate. Zed has devastating poke - every 17 seconds during the laning phase. In that window, you can dish out as much damage as you want to him. His shadow will be down, and if he tries to ward you off with Q, he will not be able to regenerate his energy in time for the next W E Q combo.
His team fighting isn't that great either. Compared to other champions such as Morgana (soon to be nerfed though), Lulu, Orianna, or Nidalee, I believe that his safe laning phase is rather justified.