lmfao
can use his W while being stunned, and then gets 1.5 sec cc immunity
edit: not saying one spell is better than an other, just saying that one spell is HEALTHIER than an other
Wheatloaf47 votesRengar loses out on extra damage if he empowers w instead of Q. Nocturne gains damage if he blocks a spell. Different champions with different abilities do different things. Regardless of how balanced each individual one is, comparing similar-ish ones isn't generally a great way to prove one is OP.
Sraeg201311 votesHe loses some damage at the price of being able to waltz out of the enemy team as if he was Olaf.
Photos of Ghosts11 votesLook, I don't want stab cat to have that QSS either, but still comparing it to another ability regardless of kit is sad.
dr6gun1 voteshow about the fact noc has a mana cost and rengar GETS EVERYTHING FOR FREE
Greenjey3 votesAnd Rengar need 4 stacks of ferrocity and to choose between the 3 of them while Noc can use all his abilities at full potential in ONE spell rotation.
dr6gun1 votesexept rengar already GETS full potential in one spell rotation THEN gets and ADDITIONAL EMPOWERED CAST with NO DELAY BETWEEN, ALL AT NO COST.
Sraeg20131 votesSome people find comparing abilities sad.
We should clearly talk about them in the vacuum, despite the fact game balance is all about inter-champion relations.
aspects12 votesolaf doesnt waltz out he waltz in
Project Sleeky5 votesThe automatic crit on his ult makes it irrelevant.
ItsOrval1 votesRengar loses out on extra damage if he empowers w instead of Q
Nocturne doesnt upgrade his W first either. His order is Q/E/W.
Nocturne gains damage if he blocks a spell.
Nocturne gains attack speed.
aspects11 votesrengar also maxes w last and for those of you who say max e last on rengo, you can max e last on noct as well
Chembaron Yamada3 votesHe wasn't talking about skill maxing. He meant Rengar's passiv mechanic that he is able to empower one of his abilities when he reaches 4 stacks of ferocity. Rengar has to make a choice if he wants to deal additional damage with another (and empowered) Q or wants to have some seconds of CC immunity to reliably deal damage. It is a trade-off.
vampirekid1314 votesits almost like rengar isnt nocturne.
Dabrick018 votesBut Zhonya's can't be used when stunned.
RITO GAMES!
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesTwo completely different things..... apples and oranges, and then a monkey ate the orange...
xenomorphking128 votes
aint an assassin. hes more of a bruiser/diver
Salron1 votes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghBrRzhu2z0 Yep not an assassin Meanwhile he insta gibs twitch at 4:48 and literally oneshots him at 6:20 and 6:40
ModAcademy Kayn5 votesHave you seen Vi's, Xins, Irelias before? Anyone blows up an ADC
ARequestOfDeath1 votes
Bwooonng?
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesflashbacks of Full AP bard damage... smiles
Snowman Arc1 votesLate game Viktor, Q-autoattack with Lich Bane + E. Definition of one-shot.
Meep Man11 votesA well fed Sona can insta gib a Twitch. What is your point?
Anidan9 votestoday we learn by this standard that 80% of the roster is assassins. League of assassins.
Greenjey1 votesTbrh, as a Rengar main, i can assure you that since the rework, Rengar is most of the time played as a Bruiser too.
His W have a really poor synergy with Full AD Rengar because no damage mitigation and a heal based on the damage you already taken on a melee Squishy will only help you to survive for like 1-2 seconds more and that's not enought for Rengar. While Being bruiser with Dead man Plate + Spirit Visage bonus healing will allow you to tank considerably much, use the CC immunity to dive into the ennemy team and not being reliant and your tank to engage.
Still comparing noc shield with Rengar W is totally dumb yeah and believe it or not but full AD Nocturne is actually way better at deleting squishy witn no "counterplay" than full AD Rengar right now.
Snowman Arc1 votesYou survive 1-2 more seconds,which is about 1 second more than your enemies survive when you jump on them lol.
Meep Man7 votesThe difference is Nocturne negates everything. No damage, debuffs, or anything. Reactive versus proactive.
The Deckowner1 votes heals for a large % of all damage taken, and is only used after getting hit while need to predict shit.
RavenMagus2 votesNocturne doesn't need to predict anything, because you only have a second or so to do anything before his fear finishes, and by the time that's over, you're dead.
The Deckowner1 voteshe has to predict when u are gonna use your cc to block it with his W to maximize cc immunity duration. his W last shorter than the time it take for his fear to go off.
RavenMagus1 votesIt's a 0.5 window there, which is a lot harder for his opponent to time than it is for Nocturne, if he just jams spellshield down shortly after landing. His fear lasts longer than most other CC effects, too.
The Deckowner1 votesyou can just qss that fear.
the main issue this post is talking about is that nocturne uses spellshield after going in, gets his spellshield proc by 1 ability then gets murdered, while rengar just no brain spam w and cleanse all cc while getting cc immunity and heals tons of hp.
RavenMagus1 votesTrue.
But I can't tell if the post is asking for Nocturne buffs (god I hope not) or Rengar nerfs.
I have to admit the Rengar W being a mini Olaf ult is pretty silly.
Greenjey1 votesI play a lot of Rengar and i feel he just suffer from the Kog'Maw Rework syndrom. His kit is really bland, but the W have so much power put into it, it can alone decide if Rengar is viable or not.
His the Battle Roar a good spell ? Yes ? Then Rengar is now a borderline OP bruiser being a mix of Nocturne and Olaf and will always be better than full AD Rengar (almost sure Riot kinda want Assassin Rengar dead tbrh). No ? Then Rengar is the same as he was before the rework but less efficient in every single way.
RavenMagus1 votesYeah, I remember the days when you could play Kog'maw with 13 unspent ability points at level 18 and be perfectly fine, as long as the other 5 were all in W, heh.
RamboDash156 votesDon't forget that 
exists too
BeatzBoyFTW3 votesOnly works on empowered, so you're not suppose to CC him at his 3rd or 4th stack.
Looknook18 votesHe gets 4 stacks by ulting in and using all of his abilities. When are you supposed to CC him then?
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesLands AA from ult - 1 stack. Q - 2nd stack. E - 3rd stack.
Around this time, the team would have ample time to CC him. Some Rengar players would either save his W for that 50% damage sustain or for plain damage which will result in making him gain a 4th stack. I said that people shouldn't CC him at 3rd stack mainly because there's a chance that Rengar would have fast reflex in spamming a 4th ability before he reaches his empowered status.
nice table7 votesthis is just wrong ...
BeatzBoyFTW5 votesHow so? I don't see you correcting shit.
Spaceman5pff26 votesBecause he would use W to get the 4th stack. Now that he is empowered, all of his basic abilities are available again.
It isn't like karma where they have to be off CD to empower them
Elikain1 votesNow that he is empowered, all of his basic abilities are available again.
No, that doesn't seem to be right. Didn't Riot say his basic abilities and empowered abilities now share the same CD? So he has to choose which of the abilities he wants to use in a given situation, not just spam everything and then spam again?
Automated Riven5 voteshe has really low cooldown abilities so he can spam. but you are correct that he can only empower 1 ability. your quoted person was also correct. He ults in and gets 1 stack. uses all three abilities (presumably hitting them) and now has 4 stacks. regardless of any prior cooldowns he was gated by all 3 of his abilities are now available and can be empowered depending on the situation. so if he gets cced at this moment he just uses w and shrugs it off.
My Waifu Vanilla4 votesHe doesn't have to land a single ability to gain stacks. All of his abilities get empowered regardless of if they hit or not. The only reason he can't walk into a lane with 4 ferocity or something is because they drain instantly if he tries to spam outside of combat.
Automated Riven1 votesthey must have changed that in the rework then. my bad
SwaggyMcGhee4204 votesYeah I'm sure the <1 second it takes him to get three stacks is plenty of time to lock him down as he comes out of nowhere.
50000000000000001 votesThat's like 0.5 seconds longer than before.
SwaggyMcGhee4202 votesBut still, it's very difficult to react and lock him down in one second.
50000000000000002 votesIf it's the assassin build, I think it's pretty fair. Quick reaction is a part of the game. Bruiser build that doesn't get bursted after being locked down is pretty problematic though, imo.
Snowman Arc1 votesAfter you die, apparently. They will make a new item like Redemption, that you can CC people after you die now.
