Can we make Graves Botlane viable again?

Ahristocats··4 votes·460 views

used to play a lot of botlane graves, and i saw on many streams that it was a thing until graves was nerfed just after his rework

V5.22 Stats Movement speed reduced to 340 from 345. End of the Line Initial damage reduced to 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 / 115 from 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 / 140. Detonation damage reduced to 85 / 145 / 205 / 265 / 325 from 90 / 155 / 220 / 285 / 350. Mana cost increased to 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 from 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75.

Let's see why graves can't go bot right now: his attacks cannot go through minions, AND he also have 425 base range

then how did graves manage to go botlane after his rework? because he could waveclear at lvl 3,, but as you can see the mana cost was increased, and damage was reduced which makes it impossible once again

Graves scaling isn't a problem, the dude scales well with attack speed and crit, critical strikes on graves increases the damage AND the number of bullets Graves doesn't build crit anymore since he went in the jungle (except phantom dancer)

my idea on how to bring the dude back in botlane (and maybe solo lane):

End of the line: Mana cost reduced to 55/60/65/70/75 Now deals bonus damage against minions

thoughts?

8 Comments

Arakadia2 votes

I'm all up for this but Grave's doesn't need buffs in other areas outside of bot lane ADC.

Ahristocats1 votes

mana cost on Q, and bonus damage against minions i don't see how this can buff jungle graves, jungle graves has no mana problems

Arakadia1 votes

If he has low mana costs in the jungle, why make them even lower?

I don't know if Graves jg and Graves bot lane carrry can coexist. I would hope so, but I'm not really sure.

Sire Hippington2 votes

To be honest, i don't see graves becomeing strong bot without beeing busted either top or jungle. His kit just works so much better 1v1 vs melees or in jungle than it does vs ranged champs with a support.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Dude, Graves was the one ADC I actually enjoyed playing. I understand why they reworked him, but I wasn't too happy with where he ended up :P

e46 Fanatic1 votes

I love taking Graves to bot lane lol, his auto not going through minions doesn't bother me one bit. I see nothing to be impossible about clearing waves with graves. I'd say it IS viable tbh, just keep working on it. Then again Graves is one of my favorites atm.

It's up to you to make something viable, just cope and learn to play around what's giving you issues, don't just throw it out and give it no more chances

fuffychan1 votes

Graves is an abomination and Im glad I never have to face this f---er in bot again

UnboundHades1 votes

I still miss old graves q

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