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Zyra Changes on PBE

CatSith··4 votes·1,382 views
11/20 PBE Update

Zyra [Changelist from Riot Repertoir]

Mana regen per 5 seconds increased from 8.5 to 11.5 Mana regen growth lowered from 0.8 to 0.4

Garden of Thorns (Passive)

Plant spawn range lowered from 1300 to 900 Plant duration increased from [5-7.5 based on level] to 8 Passive seed duration lowered from 45 to 30 [Note: this does not change W seed duration]

Plant durability changes Plant health increased from 4 to 8 Ranged champion basic attack damage to plants increased from 2 to 4 Melee champion basic attack damage to plants increased from 2 to 8 Single target spell damage to plants increased from 4 to 8 Spell AOE damage to plants increased from 2 to 4 Periodic damage to plants lowered from 2 to 1 Large minion/monster damage to plants increased from 1 to 2

[Note: minions/monster damage to plants unchanged] Plant gold granted on kill lowered from 5 to 3

Rampant Growth (W)

[Removed] Zyra's plants no longer gain 10/20/30/40/50% extra max Health [New Effect] When Zyra kills an enemy, Rampant Growth's recharge time is reduced by 20%, increased to 100% for champions, large minions, and large monsters.

Thoughts Zyra players?

10 Comments

Pandeonor3 votes

I don´t think that this will have an effect at all.

Zyra actually does between 10% and 20% less damage since new runes [= average 11MP less vs champs; in addition no deathfire as electr is not comparable]. -> She was not really viable before mid and not mainstream as sup. Before. -> She is 10-20% weaker then before (damage) / especially compared to other mages [wich do have better AP-scalings] -> This changes of her plants will have no net-effect on fights (in lane or teamfights)

Conculsion: she was "bad" before and is worse after new runes. The changes of her plants will have no impact on her outcome in midlane [~15% less damage +-0 impact out of new plants = ~15% less damage net].

---> So - she is worse in midlane in S8 then she was in S7 as we can be sure that no further changes will be made.

---> Sup Zyra is bad now. Alistar and Leona 1-hit-plants will kill her there.

Just sad. No more, no less.

Poop Jelly2 votes

My interpretation:

  1. Mana regen changes: Her earlier stage of the game would have more mana resources to cast spells, seems to favor both mid & supports.
  2. Passive change looks complex. Lower range of spawn should be easier to control than those wacky locations at the moment. Only concerning changes to me are 1 melee hit kills the plant and Dots spells (assuming that's what periodic damage mean) now take longer to kill plants. • For mid: Better against malz, cass, etc. but probably worse against melees. • For support: Worse against melee supports.
  3. W now can be used for pushing/farming? One of the problem I run into with Zyra is the lack of seed when needed to push/check vision so the change could support this demand. Also 100% recharge time for large minions/monsters, possibly an alternative aid for jungling?
Gives No Lux1 votes

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My interpretation:

• For mid: Better against malz, cass, etc. but probably worse against melees. lolwut? voidlings are melee so.... yeah... good luck with that.

grafix1 votes

Seems that Riot wants to orient Zyra to midlane (assassin/mage role).

Tseison1 votes

So I did a few games testing out the new changes and they seem to be good for me so far. But again, her damage still seems pretty low and her plants are still dying way too fast even once I combo them with her ult.

Also, i'm hoping they do a visual update on her E so it sorta resembles what maokai has. Atleast for her original skin (or all too). Zyra

Penta Ace1 votes

Personally i have mixed feelings about the changes especially melee champs killing plants in one hit. I find her plants die too easily to begin with, and now this is only gonna get worse. I did try her out on the pbe tho and I'm not gonna lie, she does feel a bit better in both laning and team fights. after a bit of cdr she seems to never run out of w seeds. Still need to try her out against harder matchups like assasins, yasuo, etc. but i do think she is moving slightly in the right direction.

Zyrannosaurus1 votes

Zyra nerf when it was absolutely uneeded UNBELIEVABLE riot

Gives No Lux1 votes

These changes would be fine if they reverted plants to preferring champions. Considering you already have to position yourself in harms way to auto to get the plants to target now you're likely going to eat harass even more than before or even worse they just agro and kill you knowing they can finish off the plants after before they get their licks in.

MAYBE if you give E 1.75s across all ranks you could use rank 1 for CC while you set up the plants. As it stands right now if you're not maxing E then you don't have the kill threat, just a good deal of poke if you get lucky with rando seeds. With one-shot melee even maxing E isn't going to put enough damage out to be a kill threat anymore.

Molotov Party1 votes

Well midlane's a bit better, the only issue I have is with the melee able to kill your plants with one autoattack, switching it to 2 autoattacks seems better in my opinion.

Support on the other hand is worse, and for the same reason that melee like braum, Leona...ect. kill your plants with one auto, and you don't have access to the new W's passive since you can't farm.

Jungle's the best so far, you have an increadibaly fast jungle clear since a plant would take lots of damage from neutral monsters than before.

But the main issue here is that there's still a lack of damage overall, plants themselves are strong, but Zyra herself isn't, adding a small ratio like 5% more to Q and E could help. But in my opinion, even with these changes this won't make her stand out compared to other midlaners, junglers or supports, I think she needs a complete rework.

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