Braum and Tahm kench always see nerfs around competitive events because they have the audacity to keep their teammates alive in this increasingly ridiculous meta. Tahm was just nerfed as well 2 patches ago as well even though his win rate is in the shit and declining, rest in peace fish prince of temptation
Nea10424 votesProbably. At least I'm glad that now it's really evident how they don't actually balance their game, but they constantly un-balance it for other purposes (LCS, selling skins, etc.).
Serika Zero14 votesAside from 
, the frog, 
has the most toxic and unfun and bullshit design out of every single champion riot has ever created.
Oh, you want to jump on the enemy carry. Here, a character that can NEGATE EVERY LITTLE DAMAGE THAT CARRY WOULD RECEIVE, and then STUN YOU, AND THEN THE CARRY GETS TO PUT FREE DAMAGE ON YOU.
He should be gutted to unviability, just like poppy was, until a rework. Again, the design is bullshit. Likewise for Trynda, here, press this button and you CANNOT DIE FOR 5 SECONDS!!!!! kind of bullshit
Yasuo wind walls? you can just walk around and keep throwing damage. People still complain about that shit. Zoe hits you with an E? you can still cleanse. Zoe hits you with a loooooong range Q, a little bit of MR would make it so you don't get one shot. Syndra ults you? you can go untargetable or zhonias.
Trynda presses R? you can't do shit. Tham presses W? you can't do shit.
Infernape2 votesWhat if Riot reverted the nerfs to Devour but made it so that damaging Tahm for X amount of damage within Y seconds of him devouring an ally forces him to regurgitate them early? Or make it like Illaoi's E (but fix the interaction with DoTs), so that damaging him reduces Devour's maximum duration (while an ally is in his belly) by a very small amount.
It would add counterplay to the ability (reducing its anti fun-ness) but still allows Tahm to have a chance of saving an ally. Although it does sound kinda shitty for the Tahm.
NateLazer1 voteshmmmmmmmmm
Serika Zero1 votesyeh, that would make tham's ability have some form of counterplay and not allow him to save people from absurd situations. You will still have to expend some dps on the frog and not on the carry, but its more reasonable than current situation.
The Spicy Crit3 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QBtNL3cZ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-09-30T05:00:01.263+0000)
Aside from
Oh, you want to jump on the enemy carry. Here, a character that can NEGATE EVERY LITTLE DAMAGE THAT CARRY WOULD RECEIVE, and then STUN YOU, AND THEN THE CARRY GETS TO PUT FREE DAMAGE ON YOU.
He should be gutted to unviability, just like poppy was, until a rework. Again, the design is bullshit. Likewise for Trynda, here, press this button and you CANNOT DIE FOR 5 SECONDS!!!!! kind of bullshit
Yasuo wind walls? you can just walk around and keep throwing damage. People still complain about that shit. Zoe hits you with an E? you can still cleanse. Zoe hits you with a loooooong range Q, a little bit of MR would make it so you don't get one shot. Syndra ults you? you can go untargetable or zhonias.
Trynda presses R? you can't do shit. Tham presses W? you can't do shit.
Cant believe people are still complaining about a champ that is useless if applied 5% slow on. This is not season 3 anymore, just run away from Kench and Tryndamere lol
123girr1 votesYou can't run from Tryndamere, he has a slow and a gap closer. He just chases you to the end of the earth. I can hardly run from a Tryndamere with a Nasus W on him.
On the other side, you run from Tahm, he just slaps you a few times then eats or stuns you, pulling you back even further than where you started.
hotarse2 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QBtNL3cZ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-09-30T05:00:01.263+0000)
Aside from
Oh, you want to jump on the enemy carry. Here, a character that can NEGATE EVERY LITTLE DAMAGE THAT CARRY WOULD RECEIVE, and then STUN YOU, AND THEN THE CARRY GETS TO PUT FREE DAMAGE ON YOU.
He should be gutted to unviability, just like poppy was, until a rework. Again, the design is bullshit. Likewise for Trynda, here, press this button and you CANNOT DIE FOR 5 SECONDS!!!!! kind of bullshit
Yasuo wind walls? you can just walk around and keep throwing damage. People still complain about that shit. Zoe hits you with an E? you can still cleanse. Zoe hits you with a loooooong range Q, a little bit of MR would make it so you don't get one shot. Syndra ults you? you can go untargetable or zhonias.
Trynda presses R? you can't do shit. Tham presses W? you can't do shit.
Tham presses W you can jump on Tham...
Serika Zero1 votesgreat, you jumped on tham. Oh wait, he has 2 health bars. Oh wait, he stunned, you. Oh wait, while you are stunned, the dps comes out of his mouth and does a lot of damage on you most likely killing you if you already used your gap closers to get close to tham.
That champion is broken, if he gets even slightly ahead, he becomes to tanky.
Alzon1 votes*Four health bars 
Towboat4215 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QBtNL3cZ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-09-30T05:00:01.263+0000)
Aside from
Oh, you want to jump on the enemy carry. Here, a character that can NEGATE EVERY LITTLE DAMAGE THAT CARRY WOULD RECEIVE, and then STUN YOU, AND THEN THE CARRY GETS TO PUT FREE DAMAGE ON YOU.
He should be gutted to unviability, just like poppy was, until a rework. Again, the design is bullshit. Likewise for Trynda, here, press this button and you CANNOT DIE FOR 5 SECONDS!!!!! kind of bullshit
Yasuo wind walls? you can just walk around and keep throwing damage. People still complain about that shit. Zoe hits you with an E? you can still cleanse. Zoe hits you with a loooooong range Q, a little bit of MR would make it so you don't get one shot. Syndra ults you? you can go untargetable or zhonias.
Trynda presses R? you can't do shit. Tham presses W? you can't do shit.
Hyperbole, tahm isn't the second most sure hes frustrating but bar none 
and
have more lopsided kits.
ZerglingOne1 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QBtNL3cZ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-09-30T05:00:01.263+0000)
Aside from
Oh, you want to jump on the enemy carry. Here, a character that can NEGATE EVERY LITTLE DAMAGE THAT CARRY WOULD RECEIVE, and then STUN YOU, AND THEN THE CARRY GETS TO PUT FREE DAMAGE ON YOU.
He should be gutted to unviability, just like poppy was, until a rework. Again, the design is bullshit. Likewise for Trynda, here, press this button and you CANNOT DIE FOR 5 SECONDS!!!!! kind of bullshit
Yasuo wind walls? you can just walk around and keep throwing damage. People still complain about that shit. Zoe hits you with an E? you can still cleanse. Zoe hits you with a loooooong range Q, a little bit of MR would make it so you don't get one shot. Syndra ults you? you can go untargetable or zhonias.
Trynda presses R? you can't do shit. Tham presses W? you can't do shit.
Funny you mention those 2. Since Tahm is Trynd's strongest counter.
Trynd presses R and you displace him. Knock backs are some of the strongest skills against an ulting Trynd. Especially if he already spun. Putting distance between you and Trynd is the counter to the ult.
Schenix14 votesTahm is very frustrating in pro play, I can understand why they want him out. Walking QSS that can melee 1v1 is outstandingly effective in a team environment and frustrating. They want him out of pro play because he makes a lot of planning irrelevant or catching someone out a chore to capitalize on when it should be advantageous. It places a lot more responsibility and playmaking around the enemy to overcome that obstacle, as well as a buffer for a carry. This is lower risk, higher reward. The entire meta needs to shift before he's allowed as a choice again in pro play. But he'll still be picked because even if it's 24 seconds, that's still generally better than QSS both in cost and uptime.
Braum I think has more leeway, and tools for a team environment to use very well but also retains enchanter capabilities almost on an engage tank. He can engage and also get out. Pyke can do the same. Rakan as well, however he is much easier to kill after the nerfs. Lower risks, higher reward picks for playmaking and anti-playmaking. These are all champions in high echelons because they have a safety net and do their job rather well in addition to that. Not just keeping teammates alive, but themselves as well or making it difficult to focus the engage for elimination before the full fight begins -- much like Ornn's engage power, who is picked often for being able to add that to his repertoire. Lot of things really.
General Matty11 votesTahm is now the toilet king. D:
Towboat4218 votes[{quoted}](name=General Matty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QBtNL3cZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-29T23:41:48.344+0000)
Tahm is now the toilet king. D:
Not the body of water fit for the king.
Neptunia xoxo8 votesTbh I never found playing against Tahm to be fun so it does not really bother me atm but he does need some changes... The reason he was picked so much in high elo and in pro play was because he allowed an ADC to make so many mistakes and get away with it (Is the main reason I disliked playing against him.) so yeah he needs a new kit or something lmao
Sõna7 votesSo how? my step of boycotting is Blame the pros first, then don't support by buying skin/watching lcs/online stream, so they will realize how important those 99.9 % playerbase instead of 0.01% of player.
If you don't do this, it's like "oh I hate them nerfing the champion yet I still play the game". dev be like "it's fine as long as they are still playing/watching/buying our skins, it doesn't matter anyways"
Blakiepug6 votesTahm Kench being my favorite champion, the way the balance team has treated him recently has really turned me off the game.
TheBentOn33 votesWell, you see a champion that can stop a priority target from getting blown up in a second and a half would interfere with riots clown feista worlds one shot wet dream, and we can't have that now can we?
Add922 votesCan't be mad at it . Tahm kench is one of the least fun champion to play against ever . whether he is support and perma save any carry against any type of danger, or the goddamn horrific unkillable unduable toplane Kench .
Good riddance I say
VoraciousX2 votesIf it is, I would be all for it. But the reason Braum and Tahm always get nerfed is they generally do better than every other tank support, bar Alistar. Tahm's not only good at protecting, but keeping people from getting away as well.
Daddy Ants2 votesI wouldn't be opposed to a complete removal of Tahm Kench.
That champion is toxic by design and removes any form of lane interaction.
5050BS2 votesI hope so
Marothennan2 votesIs the plan just to slowly remove tahm from the game?
Hopefully yes
Psychic4 voteslol fuck you, I main tahm top. It's funny that they don't nerf Camille or Akali or Irelia which are completely BALANCED champions that need a lot of "skill". Kench is an early game champion that can win the team's game by tanking all the damage from the enemy team. Tahm Can't 1 v 5 the enemy team like Irelia or Camille, and he doesn't fit good the support role anymore because of the w nerf that his cd is much higher. But in top he is a pretty good champion after all.
So, why would riot give an early champion a nerf for the early game and a "buff" for the late game?
Did you notice riot is giving more ways to duel the tanks, like conqeuror.
I am a tank player and I love it, I don't like getting one shotted from zed or khazix, I love to duel.
Marothennan1 voteslol fuck you, I main tahm top. It's funny that they don't nerf Camille or Akali or Irelia which are completely BALANCED champions that need a lot of "skill". Kench is an early game champion that can win the team's game by tanking all the damage from the enemy team. Tahm Can't 1 v 5 the enemy team like Irelia or Camille, and he doesn't fit good the support role anymore because of the w nerf that his cd is much higher. But in top he is a pretty good champion after all.
So, why would riot give an early champion a nerf for the early game and a "buff" for the late game?
Did you notice riot is giving more ways to duel the tanks, like conqeuror.
I am a tank player and I love it, I don't like getting one shotted from zed or khazix, I love to duel.
good for you bud, but i don't give a shit, just because akali and camille and irelia are cancer doesn't mean tahm isn't, gtfo
Laxfan521 votesI loved playing tahm support and tahm top. I got mastery 5 on him mainly as a top laner, then got to mastery 7 mainly as a support. These nerfs killed him and I stopped playing him because I feel useless every game.
saltran2 votesYeah please, remove him from the game he wont be missed.
EasternBladeStar2 votesI can understand their distaste for Kench as he negates a lot of outplays and approaches.
However, while they buff Kha'zix, Lee and Pyke at the same time? Not like this, Riot.
LilxPaprika1 votesit's the meta that is the problem not tahm and braum. I mean the TTK mostly. but I guess that's something the community needs to decide on. But we really should be talking about it.
Sacred Math1 votesThought that was clear when they gave Ryze his ulti.
Eleshakai1 votesI mean... I'm pretty okay if they want to... but I don't think that's the goal lol
Tahm's devour is just, well, a bad ability. It's poorly designed... it's too powerful to be a basic ability, so his other abilities end up sucking as a result of that, to compensate for how broken devour is... kind of unfortunate.
Daddy Ants1 votesI'd rather watch Paint dry then watch/play a game with Tahm Kench in it.
NateLazer1 votestahm cannot be remove he is unbeanched (he is just a top laner duelist now)
WiegrafOfValor1 votesIf they only balanced him around being a JG, everything would be solved. But nooo, he can't W buffs for some reason, and his AS have to be garbage at lvl 1.
Frightning1 votesA good Tahm Kench was actually godly for quite a while, moreover, proper use of his W (saving allies) can pretty much completely shut down any aggression in bot lane, not to mention save your ADC from a boat load of scenarios that just about no other support could save your ADC from. There was a good reason he was nerfed.
Profirix1 votesHe has never been amazing since his mini rebalance where they changed his passive. He can brutalize melees top and do well in hyperorganized play but thats about it. A great Tahm support now sits back, does basically nothing until his carry gets caught. That isn't fun gameplay. They havent just nerfed him, they have destroyed him. That isn't fair to us former mains or anyone who even wants to learn the champ.
Edit: And I get it, people are butthurt about the kill that got away. But take a minute and realize that there are people who enjoy the champion for what he is, just like you enjoy your favorite champion. To call for a champ to get dumpstered because hes annoying is just wrong.
Frightning1 votesThe champ is still worth playing right now, I don't know where you got the idea that he's 'gutted' or something like that...he isn't.
If you're only using him to whisk away your ADC from danger, you're wasting this champ's potential.
THE RlVER KlNG1 voteshe can't viably support in a solo queue enviromment anymore. he's got less base hp than most adcs and his devour is on a 30 second cooldown early game. they've already gutted his e over time. the only good thing riot has ever done for tahm is moving his damage over to his passive.
he's a c-tier top laner at best, even worse now that they've taken away 70 hp at level 1. tahm is supposed to be tanky - if he's overbearing top, tone down his passive damage, not take away hp and e effectiveness, or literally double the cd of his most important spell.
i'm just disgusted with how riot has been literally gutting tahm while leaving alistar, morg, rakan, etc untouched and even BUFFING stuff like rakan and thresh. even braum is getting the short end of the stick but riot likes his flashier stuns and ult plays so he wasn't touched as much. i'm so furious i'm not allowed to enjoy playing my champion in the role i like because riot doesn't like tahm denying perma-aggro plays botlane.
Slim Gragas1 votesYes remove Tahm Kench so theres no counterplay to dying in 1-2 seconds this season to 
