Mordekaiser needs a rework the size of Fioras

Guy Fox Teemo·Feb 13, 2016·20 votes·1,560 views

His current kit just doesn't work in the game, its not any healthier then kits like Yoricks or Old Fiora.

Its either 100% complete shit, or insanely overpowered, since its just damage, damage , damage, tank forever. Or you become a melee fighter with no CC that does nothing besides have a cool dragon every once in awhile (if your team even gets drag)

Because as he stands currently, I don't see some simple number tweaks ever working in the long run

(And he's in DESPERATE need of a VU, as worse as taric)

11 Comments

JbelsFeb 13, 20166 votes

Correction, Morde has NEEDED this level of rework since before his current rework. The current iteration is lazy, solves zero issues with morde, and has only served to make him weak as fuck. He was better off when he wasn't changed

TWGdabeastFeb 13, 20162 votes

Mordekaiser and Taric , Pizza feet bros Forever baby

RalanrFeb 13, 20161 votes

And forget Pantheon? A

Unstoppable MonkFeb 13, 20162 votes

Do I trust the person with Teemo in their name, or the one with Morde in their name?

Decisions, decisions.

Shac NorrisFeb 13, 20161 votes

Lets give him Malphite's ult and Gnar's ult as his E!

KhâmulFeb 13, 20161 votes

not at the size of fiora or his R will be like ; steal %life as true damages... XD

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 13, 20161 votes

Absolutely.

Sahn UzalFeb 13, 20161 votes

As long as he doesn't end up as .... horrible to play against as Fiora. I'd hate it if I had to hate Mordekaiser, his concept is so awesome. summoner 31

Serika ZeroFeb 13, 20161 votes

Original Fiora was fine in terms of counterplay and counter build. Lets start: Original Fiora was doing AD damage. Which already opens 2 counter build options: Build HP or Build Armor. Building either Armor or HP was increasing the amount of time Fiora had to fight to kill you.

Her Q was a long range dash, which opens up for counterplay options: displacements. A Janna Q, a Thresh flay, a Gragas ultimate, etc. Everything would've stopped her engage.

She was building glass cannon. Which means, you could've easily blown her up from the face of the earth.

Her ultimate had 400 range. Which means she could have gotten hit by any CC with over 400-500 range. Which include: Ahri E, Amumu QR, Anivia Q, Annie passive QR, Ashe R, Azir QR, Bard QR, Blitzcrank QRE, Q, Braum QR, Chogath Q, Draven E, Elise E, Fiddlesticks QE, Fizz R, Gragas R, Hecarim R, Janna QR, ok I got bored trying to list all abilities, but you get the idea.

Her ultimate damage could've been avoided on primary target with shields and heals. Meaning counterplay in form of: Alistar heal (with +armor and mr, it would've only been viable in s6 with the new masteries, in past seasons ali didn't do much other than intercepting her ult and ult himself), Diana W, Ekko W, Fiddlesticks W, Galio whatever skill is his shield, Janna RE, Karma RW, Kayle R, Lulu RE, Lux W, Sona heal, Soraka heal, Swain heal, Taric heal

Next, her ultimate could have been counter builded with item 3157 viable for AP champions. Next, her ultimate could have been avoided by champions such as: Elise Fizz Jax Pantheon Vladimir Teemo Also counterplayed by Tryndamere and Zilean Kindred (released after fiora rework).

Hmm, there's more. Fiora's entire kit was about auto attack so, item 3047 reduced her damage by 10%. And finally, her steroid was an auto attack speed burst. Which was easily stopped by Attack Speed slows such as: Nasus , Malphite Nunu

Futhermore, she had to run though the enemy team to reach her targets. So, AoE zone control was highly effective, such as: Nunu Galio Veigar Viktor

I'm sure I've forgot a few more ways to counterplay/counter build the Original Fiora. But the point in case is, the community made it seem "toxic", not that the champion was as such. There were plenty of ways to play against the original Fiora. Now, since you guys bitched so much about it, have fun dealing with % max hp true damage and can block any cc, go counter play that.

ShadowParkerFeb 13, 20161 votes

Old Fiora was toxic as heck.

Those displacements to stop her q, is the root of your argument. If you didn't have one, you were screwed. She would q to you, or q the minion wave then q to you, then her e would allow her to stick to you hard. Then she would ult, whether it was under tower or not, you would take damage.

Now let's say several people had displacing effects. Timing displacementioned effects are incredibly hard and would result in her most likely getting to you.

In teamfights, all she had to do was get to one person and ult, just one. Because then she'd most likely have a ravenous hydra and her ult would hit everyone. Not too mention if she was almost dead she could heal from it and come back at almost full hp.

It's obvious you're salty about the fiora rework. But let's not kid ourselves, fiora was toxic as heck. Snowbally, no counterplay character. Her rework is brilliant, it just needs some tuning.

Serika ZeroFeb 13, 20161 votes

Unlike you, I mained Fiora. Yes, I could Q aa Q aa E aa R on a lot of champions that disrespected me on top lane. And that's how I got feed and snowballed. But the truth is, there were just 3 match-ups Fiora had an edge on top lane: Teemo Jayce Gnar .

Everything else, I had to outplay the enemy. Old Fiora also had no escapes. So, every time I went for an aggressive move, I had to be sure it works well. Do note that for s3 and s4 we didn't have "free wards" either.

So, lets look at popular match-ups for top lane back in the day: - was raping Fiora with his damage, sustain and stun. The ONLY way to SURVIVE (that means not dying and not falling at under 50cs difference) of the enemy Renekton was for you, as the Fiora player to PARRY every single one of his stuns when over 50% ferocity. The stun which is almost instant and acts as an auto attack reset. But that Fiora was not this Fiora. What you would've block was the attack times 3 of his stun dmg (you would still get stunned and eat an E and Q on the face). Malphite - yes, good luck killing the guy that gets damage by building armor. Oh, he also has an attack speed slow and all your damage comes from AD Riven - 1 instant CC that could interrupt 1 Q damage, a shield that would block the second Q damage. And still empowered auto attacks and 3 more gap closers. Maokai - again, you do no damage to this guy and he just heals for days Jax - the split push hero, he blocks your ult with his dodge. Your Q aa Q aa E aa combo had like 12 seconds cooldown his auto attack dodge/stun had like 16s cooldown. You had a 4 second opening from time to time to get feed pre lv 6 and try to win. Otherwise you got rekt. Chogath - you would've never kill this guy. To begin with Q aa R was not enough damage to kill him. why Q aa R? Because if you tried to Q aa Q aa E aa R. You would've eaten a silence followed by a knock up, a huge slow and true damage bite execute.

Darn, most matchups (since few people played teemo, gnar and jayce) where skill match-ups where you had to outplay the opponent. Make use for small oppenings to get a kill. It was exciting.

Yes, Fiora was "unhealthy" because people refuse to counter play or counter build against her. Fizz was(and still is) doing more fucking damage with his E than Fiora could do with her ult if both of them can land it on 5 targets. And Fizz has it on 8s cooldown while Fioras was on 1 minute. Of fucking course I'm salty about it.