DQs approval rating has dipped to George Bush levels of approval when he was President

metaworldpeace10·Jun 2, 2016·117 votes·3,911 views

According to the YouTube link that Riot created for the DQ round table video. Let that sink in.

92 Comments

Kanzaki RankoJun 2, 201625 votes

lol when you get to this type of analogy, you know things aren't right

l Main RenektonJun 2, 201625 votes

But there's something called "Voluntary Response Bias." People with very strong dislikes are more likely to share those opinions than the percent that are satisfied or indifferent. With a simple click on a video, it's easy for people to just "dislike" the video and "vote," whereas the people who are satisfied or don't really care are less likely to submit a response because they really don't care.

tl;dr people are more likely to vote toward something when they don't like it than when they do

Dominick DestineJun 2, 201628 votes

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But there's something called "Voluntary Response Bias." People with very strong dislikes are more likely to share those opinions

The above quoted is nonsense of the highest order.

By that logic, people didn't "really" like "A New Dawn" cinematic.... it was just "Voluntary Response Bias" that it got such a positive reaction. You are presenting an unfalsifiable hypothesis as desperate apologist behavior. The stats don't lie and they are even across every form of media currently available (Riot boards, reddit, twitter of major players, etc.).

Deadly MittensJun 2, 201616 votes

Heck, even in the video neither of the non-employees expressed much like for dynamic que, and got there concerns and issues regularly unanswered and sidestepped.

MrWasjigJun 3, 20165 votes

Which just underlines the question: What did it achieve? In short, bloody nothing. In long: All that roundtable was, was a distraction. A bone thrown from atop Riot's ivory tower to sate the masses desires for a response. Like politicians they spoke but never said anything, and made lots of empty statements.

l Main RenektonJun 2, 201612 votes

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The above quoted is nonsense of the highest order.

By that logic, people didn't "really" like "A New Dawn" cinematic.... it was just "Voluntary Response Bias" that it got such a positive reaction. You are presenting an unfalsifiable hypothesis as desperate apologist behavior. The stats don't lie and they are even across every form of media currently available (Riot boards, reddit, twitter of major players, etc.).

"Voluntary response bias. Voluntary response bias occurs when sample members are self-selected volunteers, as in voluntary samples. An example would be call-in radio shows that solicit audience participation in surveys on controversial topics (abortion, affirmative action, gun control, etc.). The resulting sample tends to overrepresent individuals who have strong opinions."

Dominick DestineJun 2, 201614 votes

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Voluntary response bias is something I don't understand and does not apply in the slightest within this scenario... but it's something I am using for my apologist behavior

l Main RenektonJun 2, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q8EAOvGU,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-06-02T19:37:08.583+0000)

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Yeah, I don't see how it's irrelevant. This is a very accurate situation that is described as self selection.

Dominick DestineJun 2, 201615 votes

The people opining are not "random self volunteers", they are the people that play the game on a regular basis. They are the ones most affected by Riot's lies and bad choices.

They are expressing their EXTREME disapproval towards the direction Riot is taking. This is not the same as a small vocal minority shouting over everyone else; This is a large representative sample of what the entirety of the LoL community feels/thinks.

It is completely constant in every single media we have available to us and thus, the data lines up with what I am saying, while completely contradicting what you say. They fucked us, we didn't like it. How much more simple would you like me to make it for you?

The Yetii RiderJun 3, 20163 votes

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The people opining are not "random self volunteers", they are the people that play the game on a regular basis. They are the ones most affected by Riot's lies and bad choices.

They are expressing their EXTREME disapproval towards the direction Riot is taking. This is not the same as a small vocal minority shouting over everyone else; This is a large representative sample of what the entirety of the LoL community feels/thinks.

It is completely constant in every single media we have available to us and thus, the data lines up with what I am saying, while completely contradicting what you say. They fucked us, we didn't like it. How much more simple would you like me to make it for you?

Every single media we have available to us except...the League client?

People still log in. People still play. There hasn't been a mass exodus in protest. Why should Riot care about the boards or Reddit or YouTube when their actual game hasn't changed at all?

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20168 votes

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Every single media we have available to us except...the League client?

People still log in. People still play.

It takes time for failure to set in... and the writing is already on the wall.

M Dragon14Jun 3, 20161 votes

Where did most of the people even go to find out about the video though? I imagine most people ignore the videos that are on the client. Yes, a small percentage look at them, but not the vast majority. This can easily be seen by how many people log in each day, and the amount of views on each video. The percentage is small.

So, what does this have to do with the argument at hand? Let me explain. When people are dissatisfied, where do they go? Right here, in the board to complain (and other forums/boards). What about the people who are satisfied? They are playing the game. So with that in mind, when the video was released, of course people reacted to it on here. Of the few people who saw the video, those who were satisfied mostly saw the video, then went back to the game, whereas those who were not reacted to it here. Those who were not satisfied and had not seen the video also went here. Those same people would have then watched the video themselves, and being dissatisfied, would have more than likely disliked the video. In other words, there is much more motivation for those who don't like DQ to watch the video in the first place (as the video was made for those people in the first place).

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20162 votes

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Right here, in the board to complain

Like/Dislike ratio on the video contradicts your flimsy, fallacious premise.

M Dragon14Jun 3, 20161 votes

People that dislike the idea of DQ are more likely to not only watch the video, but react to it by disliking it. That was the whole point of my fucking post. Did you not read it?

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20162 votes

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People that dislike the idea of DQ are more likely to... watch .... video

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

M Dragon14Jun 3, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Look! I can post an emote that looks like it's proving a point, but doing nothing at all!

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20162 votes

I dislike explaining the incredibly obvious but okay; How can people who do not even know what a video contains already have a pre-built bias against said video?

No one went in expecting to get told to 'fuck off'. Your argument is as terrible as "People hate the new Ghostbusters trailer because it has women in it" rather than the reality which is "People hate the new Ghostbusters trailer because it is garbage".

M Dragon14Jun 3, 20162 votes

What? That wasn't even my fucking point. The hell are you talking about? Let me do the TL;DR of my post, since you have an issue with reading and understanding. I said that people who are against DQ HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF WATCHING IT. Why? Because they are more likely to go to the boards to complain about it, and guess what's posted everywhere links to the video and how people dislike it and DQ.

When you have a problem with something, in this case DQ, where do you go to voice your problem? The boards. Where do you go to voice that you don't have a problem? Nowhere! Why? because you don't have a fucking problem.

OldDirtayJun 3, 20162 votes

actually they both speak volumes,

he is facepalming ur stupidity while u have ur hands up in the air as if u have no idea wtf is going on

id say this speaks volumes and is 100% correctly stating whats going on

but again that probably went over ur head

M Dragon14Jun 3, 20161 votes

But that is a video specifically for entertainment. The video about DQ was not. It was informative. Who is more likely to watch an informative video about DQ? The people that dislike it.

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20162 votes

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But that is a video specifically for entertainment.

Actually it was made for advertising purposes.

Epic fail.

VoidreyJun 3, 20161 votes

A New Dawn was meant to entertain us with action and stuff, which why it got a positive reaction. The Roundtable video was delivering bad news of Solo Queue not ever coming back, which many people wanted, which pissed them off a lot, making them more likely to dislike and be more vocal than someone who is satisfied with Dynamic or just doesn't care

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20163 votes

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A New Dawn was meant to entertain

No. A New Dawn was advertising.

You know what else was advertising? The new Ghostbusters trailer. If A New Dawn was pure garbage, it would have gotten downvoted the same as the roundtable betrayal video.

LirikJun 2, 20167 votes

yeah you totaly make sense, because when i go vote for the next prez i always vote for the caditate that i hate and will be able to complain the most about ... yup all logic stuff right there.

SchoenbergJun 2, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=l Main Renekton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q8EAOvGU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-02T19:00:20.489+0000)

But there's something called "Voluntary Response Bias." People with very strong dislikes are more likely to share those opinions than the percent that are satisfied or indifferent. With a simple click on a video, it's easy for people to just "dislike" the video and "vote," whereas the people who are satisfied or don't really care are less likely to submit a response because they really don't care.

tl;dr people are more likely to vote toward something when they don't like it than when they do

I don't know if you expected to get any positive feedback when you said that xD... I mean for one I am one of the people who really has no clue what solo Q was or is however disliked the video because... friends...

Note: My god... The people commenting on this are perceiving it as being literally all of the votes... I mean this is likely a very small fraction of the votes... Soooo...

Troll for TrumpJun 2, 20168 votes

"I don't like the results of this poll.... it MUST be biased"

Well, I guess Riot's survey is nonsense too, they surely must only survey premades..

l Main RenektonJun 3, 20165 votes

{quoted}

"I don't like the results of this poll.... it MUST be biased"

Well, I guess Riot's survey is nonsense too, they surely must only survey premades..

I bet that there were a million players who had a "meh, I don't mind" kind of reaction to DQ

Who didn't have any incentive to say "I love it" or "I hate it"

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20162 votes

"I don't mind is not the same as liking". It's indifference.

I bet that there were a million players who had a "meh, this is kinda annoying. Oh well" kind of reaction who didn't have any incentive to say "I love it" or "I hate it"

franticFurballJun 3, 20164 votes

Lol :D

Before, it was the "vocal minority" of the boards, now its "Voluntary Response Bias".

Suuuure =)

I wonder what explanation we will hear next. Here is what's the problem with these arguments my friend: Same as there was never ANY proof that what happens on the boards is not representative of the community at large, there is now no proof that VRB is what is happening here.

Vocal minorites and VRB both exist, but if someone claims that a samples response is based on these things, than by the principle of "Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat", its up to that person to prove that this is the case.

If you can provide that proof, post it. If not, well, thanks for letting us know your opinion.

M Dragon14Jun 3, 20161 votes

Do you not know what selection bias is?

franticFurballJun 3, 20161 votes

#AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!

"Selection bias!"

Thanks, I was waiting for that explanation to show up.

My friend, you are aware that SB does not apply here? Because there is no sample selection...the sample is self-forming!

"Vocal Minority" and "Voluntary Response Bias" can at least theoretically apply in this case, but SB? SELECTION BIAS? WITHOUT A SELECTION PROCESS?

How is that supposed to happen, please, enlighten me.

M Dragon14Jun 4, 20161 votes

The fact I even need to explain this...... Look it up, and educate yourself. I will not do it for you.

franticFurballJun 4, 20161 votes

I don't need to look it up my friend. Other than most people who bring statistical terms into these discussion, I actually had to study this stuff, because statistical evaluation of data, and more importantly, evaluation of the QUALITY of said statistics, is quite important in natural science, and that includes molecular biology :D

So yes, its actually you who has to explain how selection bias in a natural sample (aka. a sample that assembles itself) possibly applies.

If you think comments like this...

The fact I even need to explain this...... Look it up, and educate yourself. I will not do it for you.

...suffice in that regard, you are mistaken.

Biff ManlyJun 3, 20166 votes

Interestingly, George Bush had both the highest and lowest records for approval rating.

Dynamic Queue was never popular though~

GhastlyGhoulManJun 3, 20166 votes

I remember hearing somewhere that in marketing or surveys (or something like that) for every one person you have vocally complaining, you have 100 more who feel the same but never express it.

Maybe true, maybe not, but i think there's a kernel of truth to it.

Colgate GatorJun 2, 20164 votes

According to the whole LoL playerbase, 17k ish dislikes are nothing. Let that sink in.

It isn't unheard of in LoL's community that the people complaining are exceddingly loud, but they keep being a vast minority.

CoronaGulpJun 2, 20163 votes

exactly, 10 million players play this game in the NA server alone on a daily during spike hours. 17kish IS very small. Globally it's around 67 million.

LirikJun 2, 20163 votes

you have 2014 numbers, in 2016 maybe 17kish is alot now who knows since riot didn't give us any new numbers about the server population since 2014...

Vistha KaiJun 3, 20161 votes

There are currently 10 million ranked accounts world-wide.

And I'm not even counting whenever they are active accounts or not.

ShonjlJun 6, 20161 votes

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you have 2014 numbers, in 2016 maybe 17kish is alot now who knows since riot didn't give us any new numbers about the server population since 2014...

Its because they are losing players to the extreme. Its pretty simple as that, they were happy to gloat and show how good the game is when it was growing and doing good, but when it does shit and people are obviously leaving, they go silent hoping no one asks, not like they would answer anyways.

KnKitsuneJun 2, 20163 votes

{quoted}

exactly, 10 million players play this game in the NA server alone on a daily during spike hours. 17kish IS very small. Globally it's around 67 million.

64 million as of 2015.

Steven McburnJun 2, 20162 votes

I think the thing people miss out on the most is it's accounts being played per day, not individual players.

They have no way of actually measuring players, so if you play 3 different accounts you look like 3 people to them.

BeldairJun 2, 20163 votes

Could be worse....it could be Obama approval ratings.

HolyLimits101Jun 2, 20164 votes

His approval ratings are actually quite high for a 2nd term president

Cookimonster316Jun 2, 20163 votes

People are more inclined to dislike a video they didn't like than they are to like a video they enjoyed. That's just how it works

Karn BishopJun 2, 20166 votes

I like how people argue this like it magically proves some sort of point.

I mean by using this logic the people who hated hitler were a minority group of angsty teens who were just really really upset, everyone else is actually fine with the death camps.

AlissalJun 3, 20166 votes

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I like how people argue this like it magically proves some sort of point.

I mean by using this logic the people who hated hitler were a minority group of angsty teens who were just really really upset, everyone else is actually fine with the death camps.

You're comparing a YouTube video, to Hitler's Holocaust. What the heck is wrong with you?

AheadatimeJun 3, 20166 votes

He/she is pointing out that stating something doesn't make it factually true. My bet is that there are more dislikes than likes because people just genuinely didn't like the video's contents. SoloQ is super popular, as it has been the staple of this game's competitive atmosphere since the games birth. It's easier to believe that people feel attached to it and therefore dislike news of its demise than to believe that tens of thousands of people who saw that video liked it but didn't feel like clicking like.