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Riot... what the fuck with Nasus?

Doctor Dyment··4 votes·3,239 views

Riot, I love you. You stay close to the community, listening to what we say. (Mostly) That being said, why the FUCK is ANYTHING we say about Nasus COMPLETELY IGNORED? I can handle his Q, annoying as it is, I'll let it slide. I mean, it must be MY fault he somehow got three hundred stacks at twenty five minutes in, despite the fact that I destroyed him in lane. I'll let the annoying ultimate slide by, considering the fact that it isn't all that ultra powerful. With that, why with his W? Wither? Are you kidding me? At level five, the maximum that it can slow is 95%? For FIVE seconds? What... why? Why? He gets a free exhaust? With a much lower cooldown though, so there is no point in getting exhaust then. I just can't... fathom why you think this is balanced. Even the slightest. Of course, you could use the argument, "Gets Mercury Treads, DUR." Okay. I'm an ADC/mid laner, but sure. I'll sacrifice some damage just so I can pretend like I can get away. Okay, I got away but he still has me in his sights. My turret is right here though, so I guess... AND it happened again. Well, would you look at that. Cooldown items. There goes my entire health bar with one click of his Q. Please. You have to do... SOMETHING about this. If you have a reason that I have overlooked about what makes Nasus so EASY to lane against, then please tell me. Because I have not found it.

33 Comments

Long Dong Wukong6 votes

wall of text, only managed to read bits of the first 1/3

Nasus is fine.

Magic Mo6 votes

rofl nasus needs buffs, not nerfs. whata fuck did i just read

broseph363 votes

hes a walking target dude, trust me i main him, and he just gets kited

Get Rekkkt3 votes

or his trash early game, pick darius into em and tell me how u lose

he farms lane? then you should be making 5v4 plays in another lane

your letting him farm for free? if he is Qing minions then why arent you trading with him once he does? wither wont hurt you and E doesnt hurt pretty much and he runs oom quick doing so

did i mention his starting stats are crap? name one person who cant all in him at lvl 1 and win? joke because u cant

this is like trying to say vayne is op...well yes she is, if you let her get items and get to late game..same with nasus stacks

btw forgot to mention, its up to 95% and starts around 30-50% (max rank mind you think first rank is around 50-60 when full amount) if he is leveling wither how are you losing? did i mention qss?

Ale non è male1 votes

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or his trash early game, pick darius into em and tell me how u lose

Darius is a weak match-up against him, though, he is going to push wave toward tower and allow Nasus to farm under tower, plus he eat everything kind of damage from Nasus E

Get Rekkkt1 votes

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Darius is a weak match-up against him, though, he is going to push wave toward tower and allow Nasus to farm under tower, plus he eat everything kind of damage from Nasus E

darius is a weak matchup for nasus?

do u even play lol? or do you just assume things?

not asking how u fair against nasus as darius, he is a counter to him trust me lol http://www.championselect.net/champ/nasus 5th one down tell me who it is?

learn the matchup, or watch people who know how to play it do it....dont judge from you sucking with him and saying well he isnt a counter...trust me try nasus into a darius with half a brain and knows how to ward and tell me how that goes lol

its like people dont even think b4 posting /smh

Ale non è male1 votes

Lol. Nasus outscales hard Darius late game and Darius can't kite Nasus nor being able to act as a tank so well late game for his team as Nasus can Nasus vs Darius is a skill match-up, because of course Darius can crush hard Nasus early if Darius player is the best player, but on equal skills Nasus trumps Darius And lol at you looking at that site, which is considered largely unreliable

Stephenizgod1 votes

Actually Darius does really well against Nasus in lane. If Nasus uses Q on minion, Darius goes all in and without Q Nasus cant even really fight back. After 2-3 trades Darius can go all in and kill him even with Nasus ult, specially if Darius takes ignite. Nasus E damage is pretty low and Darius can get his combo off and a few autos before Nasus Q comes back up, by then Darius Q is also back up and his has longer range.

The most Nasus can do is call for gank or just farm under turret, which will be taken down really quickly because turrets are really weak for some reason.

Good Darius will force Nasus out of lane until he eventually pushes to turret, a Good Nasus will farm really well at turret...

Kazukes1 votes

Speaking as a guy who uses nasus a lot. I don't find that Darius counters him at all. As nasus all you have to do is dance in the middle of your minion and make Darius drop his aoe damage and push the wave. Once the wave comes to your turret there is literally nothing Darius can do. He'll have to watch himself taking turret damage trying to attack nasus while he is farming under turret. He can't dive because that turret will eat him alive with that slow rate. He is also an easy kill having pushed the lane. Just wither him when your jungler comes around and you have a dead Darius. I also see Dariuses rush offensee against me with 0 kills on both sides, what usually happens is I first buy a IBG and beat the breaks off of them when I come back to lane with it. At that point Darius is the one who can't farm. It usually goes the same way wiht other "counters" unless the enemy is a ranged top of course.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Well see this is a case of one person being better then the other with their champion. A good Darius wont push the wave against Nasus, since he is a beast at farming under turret.

Played a game against Darius as Fiora, Darius outdamages Fiora early so he was winning trades with his Q. So i stayed at turret and farmed, when my jungler came i would kill him. Everytime he got to lane he would immediately push to my tower and stand there waiting for me to push back. Then my jg comes and i get a kill, this repeated until i was very fed and could just erase him immediately. Now does that mean Darius doesnt counter Fiora? No it means i was better with Fiora then he was with Darius, i think most people who has played that match-up knows that Darius tends to win that lane if he plays smart and builds a bit of armor.

Its the same as Riven vs Garen, from what ive seen everyone says Garen counters Riven except for Riven mains who say the opposite. I always stomp Riven as Garen so it could just be ive only ever fought bad Rivens, but i doubt that. Darius does do well against Nasus i think you are good enough to know how to fight against one though.

Ale non è male1 votes

Darius can do well in lane, but if the Nasus player is smart Darius can't push him out of late at all, and late game Darius can't stand in front of Nasus because of the much better scaling Nasus have. The only thing Darius can do on an equal level might be push heavily turret, and then roam on other lanes for objectives while Nasus is still farming forcing 5 vs 4 fights

The problem is not that nasus vs Darius isn't a skill match-up, but on an even skill match-up it is Nasus that wins, NOT Darius like some people claim for no particular reason (really, how darius is supposed to counter Nasus aside the early-game push that Nasus suffer against basically almost all the champs in the league)?

Stephenizgod1 votes

In an equal skill match-up, early game Darius will win or make sure Nasus cant farm. Late game Nasus, if Nasus got his stacks, he will win. Early game though Darius has too much damage for Nasus to just shrug it off and farm, specially if Darius hits level 6 first, which he will if he is smart. Now we are talking no junglers here because if Nasus's jungler ganks then yeah Nasus wins, but the same could be said about Darius's jungle.

It seems Nasus mains argument is that Darius will push to the turret but a good Darius knows not to spam abilities on minions, he will run out of mana and he has no escapes to get away from a gank. One pull from Darius though and Nasus is going to take a huge chunk of his life, everytime Nasus uses his Q he is going to be attacked, if Nasus tries to attack Darius he will lose that fight unless for some reason the Darius let him farm all game.

Ale non è male1 votes

Fact is, unless Nasus falls horribly behind early, he wins in mid game too, cause while Darius get damage but remains relatively squishy, Nasus start to get tanky and build up damage and lifesteal

Stephenizgod1 votes

I'll agree to that, but Darius builds more of a bruiser build so he isnt really squishy. Early game it is easier for Nasus to fall behind and Darius to get fed in this match-up. Normally thats called countering, Nasus only gets ahead because of infinite scaling.

Ale non è male1 votes

Nasus don't get ahead only at full build though, it's enough he completes 2 items and stack Q in a decent way to get ahead looking this way, half of champion pool "counter" Nasus, but imho, I don't think all of them are true counters. And Darius is not among them

TeemoJenkins2 votes

If you have a team that is allowing ANY enemy laner to free farm, you have a problem.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

{quoted}

If you have a team that is allowing ANY enemy laner to free farm, you have a problem.

I just died 4 times in lane and had 300 stacks at 20 minutes as nasus. FYI.

Oh- And pick sejuani into nasus, nasus can't get to anyone to put whither onto them.

Pucking Purrfect2 votes

Nasus needs a nerf tbh.

Dryditch2 votes

Love the ADC main complaining about Nasus.

Tank main: "oh! I have all defensive items. What's that? I got 3-shot by an ADC before my team could kill him."

ADC and Assassin mains have zero right to complain about anything in this game.

Doctor Dyment1 votes

I barely even play ADC. I mainly play top bruisers. So... yeah.

Dryditch1 votes

More reason for me to hate you, then.

Bruisers are the reason my tanks can't be tanky, and I end up playing AD or AP Malphite, invalidating my purpose in the game.

Doctor Dyment1 votes

Malphite is annoying and makes playing Bruisers a living hell a lot of the time. Look, the paragraph above might seem a bit flustered and angry, but the main focus of it was Nasus's Wither, and nobody in the comments seems to grasp that.

Dryditch1 votes

I get that you don't like a non damaging spell that gets massively countered by a pair of boots or a jungle item, but hey, it's a way to hurt an ADC, so boo hoo.

The problem i have with Nasus is his free-farm q. Personally, i think he should lose stacks on death-give a chance to make early game matter.

Wither isn't the issue.

Doctor Dyment1 votes

I already told you. I almost never play ADC, it was just an example. I mainly play top bruisers and mid lane mages. And no, it isn't "completely countered" by a pair of boots. It just makes the Wither last from five seconds, to making it last 3.25 seconds. So no, it isn't completely countered. Maybe if you listened to what I'm actually saying instead of saying whatever the fuck crosses your brain damaged mind, you wouldn't be repeating some of the things you say.

DoraTheBrown1 votes

peel and kite (unless he got like 500 stacks 20 mins den nvm ur dead anyways) he has no gap closer so kiting or having someone to peel is how u stop hi,

Junkο1 votes

I actually beaten a Nasus with 700 stacks once, well not really "I", it was a team effort of killing him when he got greedy and farmed for evne more stacks. sadly this kind of teamwork is kinda rare :/

BakedLotion1 votes

You're not bulbasaurgirl. You can't complain about nasus.. Or are you?????...

SleepyLionCub1 votes

someone doesnt know how to play a ranged champion, assassin, or early game bruiser top lane.

DoFr1 votes

i have no serious problems with nasus, except 1 thing, we both trade, the fight breaks out, both at 50% health, and boom, he Qs a minion or two and hes full health

that's the only thing that bothers me about nasus, other than that, it doesn't matter how much stacks he got, you just gotta kite him down, or make up for it by a 4v5

warpenguin5551 votes

Nasus is horrible. Just hurt him and he loses

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Nasus's wither cost at such an expensive 80 mana, did he actually takes advantage of you, or you just stand there doing nothing but sulking when Nasus withered you for the 8th time in-lane before recalling?

Doctor Dyment1 votes

Level 1 base mana pool, 276. Mana gained per level, 32. 7.4 mana is gained within five seconds, that is roughly around 1.48 mana per second at level 1. Obviously the Q is leveled up first, always costing 20 mana. The Wither, let's say you upgrade it second after your Q, costs 80 mana at all levels. Let's say, you're level nine now.. You leveled up all your skills at the first three levels, then proceeded to max your Q, only stopping when you are forced to level up something else. You have only really used your Q to get some stacks up. This is generally what happens in the lanes I play. Nasus has a round fifty stacks on at about fifteen minutes. He only Wither's me to strike me with his Q before going back, or sticking to me. What I'm saying is, the cost doesn't really matter. The problem is the length and the strength of the slow, lasting up to five seconds with no tenacity, and having up to ninety-five percent as a slow.

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