As one of the "older" players around, coming back after the newest patch feels... cold.

Doctor Dyment··100 votes·5,525 views

As a player who has seen this game through for the past five years, I think I can safely say I've seen a lot. I was there when Jax could dodge fountain shots. I was there when they had Force of Nature for the tanky junglers. (Anyone remember that kick ass item?) I remember the horrors of release date Darius. I remember when Zed ruled the mid lane not too long ago. The point is, I've had the very enjoyable experience of seeing this game grow from a small MOBA just getting by, to the enormous juggernaut it is today. And before you say anything, yes. Each season has had one or two patches that change a lot and make things harder or easier and people are never happy about it. I understand that this new wave of patch changes will eventually even out.

That being said, I do also have to say something. I sometimes take around half a month to full month long breaks from League due to various reasons. (This one happened to be a terrible disease called "Fallout 4-itis" that caused me to miss appointments I had planned with others.) And this most recent break happened to fall on the almost exact date the newest patch went live. Now, I keep up on the Boards to see new developments in this wonderful game of ours, and what I found I wasn't surprised by. People complaining about Yasuo this and critical chance that. And ADC's galore. They ALWAYS do that. But then I went ahead and read the patch notes myself, and decided that the new decisions couldn't have been THAT bad. But I finally played a few games recently, and coming back into the game felt... cold is really the only way to describe it.

This game has changed. New items, old but changed items, items I used to use now gone, all of that. I had to look up guides on how to reorder my mastery pages and how to build my old favorites. But that isn't that much of a hassle, so I just bought my new, fresh set of items and happily wandered into lane. What happened next is... well. Bad is the only way to describe it. Games were really dictated by this one factor: Which side gets first blood, and WHO gets it. Games are practically over in fifteen to eighteen minutes. And no, they don't ACTUALLY end in fifteen to eighteen minutes, usually they last twenty. Exactly the minimum time you have until you can surrender. If one team falls behind, there is almost no feasible way of a comeback. I either feel upset over how quickly the game was lost for me, or bad that I can't really do anything but stomp the enemy team so hard that we literally destroy the very matter that composes them. It was certainly a hard sight to see.

So, what do I mean about all this? Am I just some older player who over romanticizes the "good old days?" No. I can remember very clearly that there have never really been good old days. There has always just been League, just in different forms. And I have always loved it. I still do as a matter of fact. But that being said, I honestly feel that League is in the worst shape it has been in in a while. Something, I don't know what, needs to change. Maybe nothing too drastic, but something to maybe balance things out a bit more favorably for the losing side. Please. League, Riot, I love you. And I really think you all have the best of intentions at heart. But as it stands, things aren't doing so well right now. Am I saying I'll quit? No. That's a bit extreme for anyone really. League is the kind of creature that hooks itself into you and never lets go save for the strongest of people. I'll always play League. I'll always support Riot. I'll just... wait out the storm and hope it passes by. That's how I've survived for so many years with this game. Take care everyone, and have fun out there on the Fields of Justice.

70 Comments

Xela Syab24 votes

5 Things I don't understand about this preseason.

  1. A jungle objective that doesn't benefit junglers.
  2. Turrets feel like free gold and xp and not an actual objective even worth defending.
  3. No one still uses wards even though they are all free, cheaper, and supports get it streamlined into their builds.
  4. Dr. Mundo has crazy high win rate despite all ad champs get counter sustain with 800g
  5. Xin Zhao is building Rageblade.
Jofeyy2 votes

To be fair, the new trinket vision wards are really shit. Blue trinkets are the only worth warding trinket right now because for some reason pink wards aren't allowed as a trinket..

Kairya8 votes

I think Rageblade fits Xin. He always seemed like an angry little guy to me...

Penta Penguin5 votes

When the fuck will people learn that 10%+ damage and extra movement speed is perfect for junglers?

It doesn't always have to go to the top-laner

Hyrum Graff3 votes

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When the fuck will people learn that 10%+ damage and extra movement speed is perfect for junglers?

It doesn't always have to go to the top-laner

Plus gank a lane and then push down the tower super fast.

Drugoth1 votes

I even played a game recently where the enemy team painstakingly gifted the buff to their ashe player so she could super push bot lane against us.

Xela Syab1 votes

^ this actually makes me wonder why we haven't had a duo top meta now since this buff can really help a lane push and take objectives.

Anidan1 votes

This is gonna do dangerous things in the pro scene where duo top is pretty damn common...

Hyrum Graff2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Xela Syab,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EOWImEYe,comment-id=00080002000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-23T03:48:37.856+0000)

^ this actually makes me wonder why we haven't had a duo top meta now since this buff can really help a lane push and take objectives.

*duo mid

shalexade3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Xela Syab,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EOWImEYe,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-11-22T17:36:01.628+0000)

  1. No one still uses wards even though they are all free, cheaper, and supports get it streamlined into their builds.

I keep hearing this, but I just don't see it. Here's the ward counts from my last 5 games. (excluding pinks which add about 10 extra to both sides)

83 to 69 (3 from Malph) 66 to 55 (1 from Yasuo) 70 to 60 (2 from Trundle) 63 to 98 (Though I put down 47 in this game. :D Blue trinket OP) 75 to 58

Seriously, I've never seen the map more lit up in the history of league. It's like a fricking Christmas tree, it's awesome!

elon wątroba1 votes

ad. 1 it's top lane objective not jungling one. It's lowering pressure on bot lane.

RIP Tahm Kench1 votes

Defending the turret is your objective, without it the enemy minions are going to get a huge buff.

Lost In Time20 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Dyment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EOWImEYe,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-22T08:43:41.262+0000)Which side gets fist blood, and WHO gets it. Games are practically over in fifteen to eighteen minutes.

I mean, you said you've been playing since Season 2 but then this complaint comes up, which is basically an easy way to sum up a good chunk of matches in S2.

Sire Hippington8 votes

seems like i played a different game than you in S2....

Lost In Time12 votes

Have we forgotten the whole "top got FB, gg" dominance?

Anidan4 votes

The good ol' Metagolem. Once they got ahead, there was no killing them but they'll sure as hell kill you. Season 6 pre-season reminds me of S2 metagolem stuff. The only difference, I suppose, is that now it's a faster defeat instead of a longer and drawn out inevitable defeat.

Mestm972 votes

I can confirm all those riven snowballing the hell out of it. But you could just farm and wait to late game if you had tanks and mages, because in that time almost every top laner was melee and they couldn't destroy the turret like ADC can right now, i mean tristan just E Q and attack 2 or 3 times and then goes back and your turret just lost 1/5 of its health each wave, at least in that way i feel worst, riven could turret dive you but if your jungler was with you (and you and the Jungler knew how to play the game) you could survive

Ya Boı1 votes

riven? riven is in a pretty bad spot right now. You mean yasuo

AutoreactiveCD42 votes

No Yasuo back then. Also Riven's cd on ult was a lot lower. You'd kill them once in lane with it, then buy while they were dead and it would be up again when you got back.

Lithium Rosa2 votes

Weird , I always miss S2 as my favorite season, And I never consider it as heavyily snowballed

Wolfram Oxford9 votes

I think its just a matter of keeping up with how to play the game. Like all new things you need some time to settle in and adjust. I personally haven't experienced any problems with games being one sided. I think that the meta allows for a lot of diversity ironically. There are teams that try to use every kind of champion and can actually make it work. So right now with the diverse tactics and strategies being used, the flow of the game can vary, and the fastest games seem to be the ones where both teams try to make themselves focused around team fighting, in those situations the stronger team, and the team with stronger team fighting champs will stomp the enemies.

Doctor Dyment2 votes

It may very well be just me. I've been playing this game for so long that maybe I just can't keep up with the times. I don't know. But what you are saying is right. We just have to keep up with the way League is changing.

AutoreactiveCD41 votes

I started in late season 2 so I have had my fair share of change too. Maybe its that the game changed too much or in a direction you don't enjoy. I understand the cold feeling because I had it starting at the beginning of season 5. It almost made me quit but I found new champions and roles to make the game enjoyable.

With each major change since early season 5 I got that cold feeling more and more. Now there are only 2 or 3 champions that don't give me that coldness. Nothing to be ashamed of but things just change, not always in a way we would like but change really is the only constant in life.

AtheosisX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolfram Oxford,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EOWImEYe,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-22T08:57:26.515+0000)

I think its just a matter of keeping up with how to play the game. Like all new things you need some time to settle in and adjust. I personally haven't experienced any problems with games being one sided. I think that the meta allows for a lot of diversity ironically. There are teams that try to use every kind of champion and can actually make it work. So right now with the diverse tactics and strategies being used, the flow of the game can vary, and the fastest games seem to be the ones where both teams try to make themselves focused around team fighting, in those situations the stronger team, and the team with stronger team fighting champs will stomp the enemies.

That may be true in a few months when they have gotten the balance in a better spot. Right now the game is just a mess.

BluePolarizer9 votes

Good analogy. League back then felt like it had a certain magic to it, that it was pretty natural how things went. Now, it seems like alot of the changes are artificial and forced.

Gouldney7 votes

I really was enjoying season 5.

Maybe nerf teleport and buff a few adcs and a few small nerfs to broken champions here and there and that was it really, nothing felt rly unbalanced. Now the game feels like shit.

I'm all for reverting these changes, too bad that's an impossible solution. I don't even like the new items... guinsoos being the first to come to mind.. item 3073

Best Darius KR6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Dyment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EOWImEYe,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-22T08:43:41.262+0000)

So, what do I mean about all this? Am I just some older player who over romanticizes the "good old days?" No.

Well the thing is, i really DO think you are over romantizing the good old days.

And i don't mean that in a bad way, i myself really miss Season 3. Why? I don't know why, i just have fond memories of those times, and whether you like it or not, it will have influence on your opinion no matter how you stretch it.

Accept the fact that the game is different, view it from another perspective. And THEN ask yourself, is this really that bad?

Keevalroy9 votes

Accept the fact that the game is different, view it from another perspective. And THEN ask yourself, is this really that bad?

When it's in this state? Absolutely.

Shonjl3 votes

When games are ending before you can surrender, that in itself should be a massive red flag. Something is very wrong if that is happening. FB should in no shape or form be one of the sole reasons a game is won, it should be objective control. Basically someone gets first blood, they get one of the neutral buffs, and then its GG basically. How is that good? I remember when people fought over dragon, not graves got first blood and can solo it at 3

The Patriachy5 votes

You just spent about 70 lines saying absolutely nothing. You seem pretty full of yourself thinking people should waste time reading your op just because you like to use flowery language.

TurquoiseYoshi52 votes

Lemme translate this for everyone:

"I can't read this, so I'll say that the OP was using 'flowery' words like 'feasible' and 'dictated'. Maybe then my lack of reading will look okay."

Anidan12 votes

I.. uh... what? This isn't all that flowery. I'd say more composed than most posts on the board, but it's not really flowery. It's nothing on people like H.P. Lovecraft and even more flowery authors. I feel he'd say he reads those authors, but it'd be hard to believe him when he called this post flowery.

Kairya9 votes

I would call it sophisticated speech, but I am pretty sure my english literature prof. wouldn't even agree to that..

RIP Tahm Kench3 votes

And sophistry can usually be reduced to its core ideas that turn paragraphs into sentences.

"I've played league for over 5 years, so I have seen some shit." "I noticed people throwing a fit on the boards and thought 'it can't be that bad'." "But the game changed to be very fast paced, and I had to look up guides on how to build." "I'm not saying you should change it, but Riot, you should change it."

Dunkrius2g11 votes

#As one of the "older" players around

The older you get, the more words and vocabulary you can amass, and imo, reading "flowery" posts like this can** pique** one's interest to actually spend a few minutes to understand and** fathom **what this Gentleman is saying.

Purpose of this comment: Read the post. Don't dis it. Only dis this post if you can actually make perfect points.

#I wasted my time replying to your comment just because of how bad and unethical it is.

Extvia5 votes

I love you, even if that means being full on homo. Just for this one post alone. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Doctor Dyment4 votes

I would like to thank you all for listening and commenting on an old, rambling player like myself. Whether or not you support my ideas on the current state of League, I would like to thank you anyway for taking a moment to read my post and think. I made this post to get my thoughts down on paper (internet) about how I've seen League evolve over the years, and how I think things are going now. But I honestly didn't expect others to discuss it like you guys have. Thank you for listening to me. I know many of you didn't think about this, but it really means a lot to me. Thanks.

Lithium Rosa4 votes

Idk man, I've experienced every single patch from the mid of S2, and no matter how much people complained, I always had fun. This one is just different. The unbalancement is at a level which make this game just not playable.... They better change it quickly, or I have to take a break from league, which makes me really sad because I have been highly addicted to League for four years.

Laughing Cupcake3 votes

This post quite captures my feelings on the game right now, too. I haven't played for quite as long as you, starting during the Syndra patch. My first experience playing league was playing a buggy mage on free week who had one of the worst win rates in League history, and I still got hooked by the game.

But right now? I really don't have the motivation to play full games when I know it will be short and one-sided. I think that part of it is the changes to towers, minions, and gold/exp rewards, all of which are going to be tweaked in different ways in the upcoming patches. I'm sure that part of it is people haven't figured out how to counter some of the newer strategies which seem overpowered right now. I've noticed not too many people have figured out how to use the Rift Herald, either.

In the mean time, I've been playing a lot of ARAM and experimenting with the new items on different champions. I've played some custom games to learn some of the changes, too. I think that's the best way to approach pre-season: as a kind of vacation from serious (i.e. ranked) League, a time to just mess around with the changes.

Specter0272 votes

I agree with you that game is snowbally and lacks comeback mechanics. Game is most unfun it's been since I started playing.

Also, you seem to have missed re-release Darius. Consider yourself fortunate.

Sogreth2 votes

What needs to be changed is the ADCs, they are way too strong right now. Any AP champion is almost useless in any team comp, especially when you compare it to any AD. Most games since this patch I have seen 1...ONE AP on each team, and that was the support.

Cyrex Wingblade2 votes

Honestly, I think they simply changed too much in a single shot. It's actually hard to recognize the game compared to the previous patch right now. Items, item art, masteries, rebalancing, ADC updates. Any ONE of those would've been a normal patch.

It's sink or swim time, and LoL has enough momentum that it /can't/ sink from one patch. So it'll be fine, we'll adapt, it's just not pleasant in-transition. 'Cold' is an apt term. Nothing familiar, nothing necessarily wrong, but... not much welcoming you 'home' either.

KING OF MASKS2 votes

Feels cold, huh?

Trundle You're in MY kingdom now!

Dıana Main2 votes

I've been playing this game for about two years now. And you know what? OP is right. I've always been able to play my fave champs no matter the meta (aside from TF) but this season, it is quite impossible. Every game has a Yasuo. The biggest counters to adcs feel gone. Before reading this post, I even said to my league buddies "I'm not playing til the next patch when they hopefully FIX THIS."

Riot was all about diversifying the game the last two seasons. This feels like a step back.

GuiDyn3xx1 votes

Am glad you wrote this I feel the same way about the game there is no comeback factor anymore unless someone afks

Rossonious1 votes

Turrets arent very strong at all. So the team with first bloods and stuff get a couple of outer turrets very quickly. It feels like you're getting destroyed compared to the old season so you just all surrender. Stop surrendering at 20 and you'll see that the comebacks are real and that the game is just more swingy than before. Ace the fed enemy team later in the game and then watch the towers just disappear. I've personally experienced several rewarding comebacks already during preseason. Also, once they change the minions it'll be easier to farm while losing since the wave will push. Hopefully that prevents things from becoming way too snowbally.

Also, late game situational items are different now and purchasing the correct item for a comeback requires a lil more research now because its all new.

Sure, a lot of game states can't be come back from, but this is a new season with a different meta. Surrendering at 20 doesn't help you learn. I've been trying to pick up bard and quinn during the preseason and its dropped me back down to low bronze. It's disturbing the amount of surrendering that goes on at that elo.

That being said, feeding like crazy is punished harder now which I'm all for. It was stupid how long games lasted when there were 3 feeders on the losing team. lets wrap this shit up and go to another game.

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

Just go to Dota if you want careful balance changes and more then a handful of relevant characters.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I concur entirely; I miss the older seasons when games were long and decided by positioning & teamwork. Not these cheap stomp fests that snowball out of control from a single mistake, when anything that isn't hyper-mobile is doomed to die first.

Canidae1 votes

First reaction to title: probably feels cold cause it's almost winter.

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