Mages are the most diverse Class in LOL yet they all use the same small pool of items?

xxxMadLionxxx··6 votes·599 views

Yea, lol has more AD champ than AP thats a fact, but the small minority that are mages are just as diverse if not more that than any other class in the game.

We have ap tank, battle mages, burst mages, sustain mages, control mages, damage over time mages, artillery mages, support mages, lock down/anti assassin mages, assassin mages, skirmishes/fighter mages, mobile/kite mages, pet/minion mages.

This is probably even more diverse than all the ad champs in the game, yet they all share a small group of ap items.

Why? Because they are a minority?

We need more ap items that just as diverse as mages themselves.

AD champs have an overwhelming group of diverse items for each class. Assassins, ADCs, fighters, tanks, bruisers, all have specialized items made just for them. Even the 10-15 markmens out of a 137 champs have a ton of items made for them. They even switch between assassin items sometimes.

It just feel like ap itemization is an after thought for riot.

It's like ....

Riot says: "Oh yea, there are AP champs in the game, I remember them".

and mage players go like this.... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

"We exist riot."

5 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

They tried to do that, with things such as the Hextech items. However, since all mage classes do damage with their abilities, they all just want the combination with the highest amount of AP possible. That's not something they can really fix unless you either change how the entire game works, or player mindset changes

Kloqdq1 votes

I mean there is a variety of ways to create meaningful choice. The hextech items in my mind can still work and kind of do. People like Annie, Fizz, etc grab Proto-belt. Ahri, Leblanc, etc get Gunblade, Karthus, Swain, Sol, etc get GLP.

Some characters just benefit from certain items more so than others. I just think we need better options so the core build of every mage isn't just item 3165 item 3135 item 3157 every game because it's your best items.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Listing tanks is a bit pointless in my opinion, since AP tanks and AD tanks actually use the same items. There is not really a difference except that AP tanks benefit more from item 3001 .

The main problem in my opinion are how the stats work. What kind of stats are there for AD champs? AD, crit, lethality, AS, armor shred

Now look at the same for AP champs. AP, magic penetration

There is the difference, AD champions prefer different stats. An assassin usually wants to get AD and lethality. A marksman wants AD, crit, attack speed and armor shred. Many divers like stats like AD and AS.

You get the point. AP champions mostly deal their damage with their abilities and they all amplify their damage with just 2 stats, AP and magic resist. Special cases like Azir and Diana, who want AS, are the exception. There even are different AP items for different subclases of them! item 3285 item 3100 were meant for AP Assassins. item 3116 item 3504 item 3174 for Enchanters. And so on. But AP champs are mostly able to utilise them all, since they all just need AP and magic pen to increase their damage. These item give them the stats they need.

Introduce more diverse AP damage amplifiers in the game like for AD and then you will see more diverse items.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

Your list is a little too biased and rather redundant. For example, you've effectively made it so Malzahar qualifies as at least 4 different classes... They also fit the same roles. The point in items is to compliment roles, not all the 98234825352 labels of sub classes one can come up with.

AD classes have their own sub classes. ADCs: Ezreal vs Vayne, they're both "ADCs" but function differently. One is focused on spells while the other is strictly AA/On hit focused.

Sub classes for ADs end up sharing items with other classes. Bruisers a mixture of their own items and tank items.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

I don't get this complaint at all. Let's just list Ziggs as a reference point since I play him regularly. Here is a list of items that I've built in Ziggs just this season.

item 3102 item 1056 item 3030 item 3151 item 3100 item 3285 item 3041 item 3165 item 3089 item 3027 item 3116 item 3020 item 3135 item 3157 item 3158.

That's 14 different items even without counting Dring. That's just on 1 champion. That doesn't count as meaningful choices? Play someone like Cass and you can add another 4-5 items to that list while still keeping every single one of these.

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