State of Botlane from the perspective of a high elo ADC Morde main

Ahristocats··15 votes·1,377 views

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So i kept playing ADC morde to climb and it's working as i'm slowly getting back to master and climbing the mordekaiser ranking accross the world But during all of this, i got to admire the meta of the botlane right now and i have to say it's really funny

really funny because when you're below something like d2 or d1 you can't see this meta, we should call this meta the "meta of statchecking botlane"

let's start by saying this KogMaw most broken piece of shit that ever existed in this patch. Kog is literally the worst thing i witnessed during those days Kog when played in high elo is so different from low elo just because of the way people build him Kog, is just a 710 range juggernaut, but if you say this people will just straight up downvote you because they do not witness what you witness in high elo. They do not know what is it to fight a champion with 3k hp, a bunch of armor/mr while still shreding everyone without a single penetration item from 710 range in AOE.

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see in this game, they respect banned my morde and i had to pick draven while they had kog. In lane it's pretty much easy because Draven has a retarded amount of damage combined to leona. Once he had 2 items? couldn't 1v1 him anymore, he could shred me in nearly 2 sec JUST with rightclicks as i had to move around to pick axes, while being slowed by his E and while he he could hit from 710 range and dodge my ult with his stormraider/warlord bonus MS Once he had item 3022 item 3156 ? it was over he stood from 710 range with ardent bought by lee, and his own items, he draintanked with bork and maw lifesteal, draintanked twice harder with guinsoo and x3 harder as he had runnan he didn't need to move anymore, and he had lee and thresh and shen to protect him he was just using 2 buttons: rightclicks and casually pressing the W button

Do you know what kind of gameplay is this? exactly, A JUGGERNAUT. only moving forward, sustaining everything and not dying with 3k hp he's a juggernaut with also bonus ms from keystone, gets to shred anyone in 2 sec unlike darius, and from 710 range in AOE while having frozen mallet permaslow

worst thing? every high elo kog player know this build https://youtu.be/mfSYfElHxr0?t=296

everyone builds that, high elo players know that he's busted he's literally pick/ban in all my ranked games there are no mechanics involved, you cannot die you get to kill anyone in your range, your brain can literally be turned off, and you can only lose if enemy tryndamere was splitpushing Why pick Darius when kog can do your things from 710 range? why pick urgot when kog exists?

Twitch pick/ban in every games, disgusting, literally disgusting. Because he is in total contradiction with what riot did to assassins All long duration stealthed champion got counterplay except twitch for some reasons Eve ult range got reduced to 600 while her passive radius is 750 to give you time to see her and react Rengar can now be seen across the map Twitch? his stealth radius for some reasons (?????????) is 400 while his ult range is 800, and while his AA range is 550 he gets to completly 100-30 your entire team under a second and by the time you reacted it's too late, the fight is going to be lost all of this with no mechanics, just rightclicks, you do not need to know anything while playing twitch all you need is to know how to fcking last hit once you know that, you buy item 3031 item 3085 and it's fine, you "reached late game" at 20 min and now proced to teamwipe

Tristana also pick/ban, same thing than above , except your range is 660 which is lower but you get to have 1000 units knockback, kha'zix E on a marksmen that can also assassinate people with crit items why pick kha when you can get a 660 range kha that also happens to DPS? really makes you think

Draven i would like to say that while draven is obnoxious and needs nerfs, AT LEAST he gets to: -have counterplay, his ult is so telegraphed, the entire character is telegraphed due to axes that say "hey i'm going to be here" -be hard to play, YES it is not easy to catch axes while you need to pay attention to the teamfight, and spells to dodge, and if you miss ONE axe in teamfight it's over, your W won't be refreshed and your AA will lose a big chunk of damage -FALL OF IN LATE GAME

because draven isn't twitch, that has a "bad early game" (starts the game with 49% win rate LUUUUUUUUUL) spikes at 2 items while having his power constantly increasing without counterplay due to rightclickign counterplay to twitch and kog? win the game before 20 min, you didn't? you're going to bleed black blood ****ers

item 3504 i cannot finish this thread without listing this shit design that is ardent "hey, we're going to make marksmen's Autoattack even stronger! we're going to make them even more statchecking!" "okay sir... how do you want to do that? maybe through something that is mechanically intense?" "Nah, just make it so point and click shields and heals apply a cancerous buff that will make marksmen a tumor" they are already HEALED AND SHIELDED they do not need to have their AA statchecking harder

the game is fun i get to be ahead against kog, my support is leona, his lee sin bought ardent and now i'm going to get statchecked harder on top of lee shield? Taric who's supposed to build armor is buying ardent in high elo which is his highest popularity and win rate build Taric and Janna with ardent are just breaking marksmen even harder

This meta is just the meta of statchecking, the meta of rightclicks from 700 range, good luck playing Darius against that guys, you will thank me later when i tell you that playing against Vayne is more enjoyable than this Because at least if i'm Darius, i can be in her range, hook her, and then my viktor can 100-0 her kog? stay away from the fight with a slowfield in front of him, and then building hp and resistance while abusing onhit effects and Q armor/mr shred

but we got outplayed right? right

42 Comments

Big Lincoln8 votes

all im hearing is give juggernauts 700 range autos

Ahristocats7 votes

i'm baffled that riot didn't hire you yet

Big Lincoln5 votes

make a thread petitioning for my hire and I'll make this game great again

Of Mace and Men1 votes

God Emperor Lincoln - has a nice ring to it. Make LoL great again.

TimX24968B1 votes

give Tryndamere 700 range autos

Spice POWAH1 votes

imagine if darius' pull was the size of a lane

Mizaya7 votes

Can we make it clear that unless you are a kog/Twitch main and have a duo support willing to play Janna/Lulu every game for you, this isn't even a fun meta for ADC players? Like even Trist falls off in comparison to the other two if you look at winrate/game duration.

So let me explain: My 3 most played ADCs are Jhin Ezreal Lucian. Let's just get Ez out of the way, because he's more or less unplayable in high elo currently. Lucian is completely snowball reliant, as come late game you won't do anything compared to a Kog'Maw. He's sitting at a 47% winrate. In other words, not worth playing. Especially when botlane is as snowball resistant as it is. And Jhin is decent at best, but doesn't get to benefit as much off of this fun item item 3504.

It's just not an enjoyable game when you pick Lucian against Kog and your win condition is on a 40 minute timer, but you don't even have a huge lane advantage to begin with. Same can be applied to when my jungler picks Khazix against their Maokai .

I do miss playing Graves ADC as well, but I've just about come to peace with the fact that I probably won't get to play him anymore.

Ahristocats1 votes

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Can we make it clear that unless you are a kog/Twitch main and have a duo support willing to play Janna/Lulu every game for you, this isn't even a fun meta for ADC players?

i'm pretty sure it isn't, i'm not an adc main i only play morde and secondary play jhin/draven/varus

Almost every single marksmen get to have mechanics Varus has skillshots Sivir has to time well her spellshield, and aim Q and aim THE RETURN of Q xayah has even more mechanics

Twitch and kog? literally NOTHING but rightclicking from high range, it's just disgusting

people tell you that vayne has no mechanics, but it's so hard to teamfight with vayne due to having 550 range and you can fuck up your condamn against a wall

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Like even Trist falls off in comparison to the other two if you look at winrate/game duration.

i didn't know this, but idk if it makes her balanced

she still has pre-nerf cait stats while being a common ban in high elo

Ben Sharpio6 votes

state of bot lane is summed up to braindead support itemization and point and click shields

Shablagoo5 votes

Jesus someone see's it, It almost takes no skill to play these meta supports right now and supports were complaining about thresh, yet he is one of the supports that actually takes skill compared to most.

Penns5 votes

? Kog is immobile squishy adc so just get on him with an assassin and kill him https://i.gyazo.com/d4e8b71fe758506f694b8e81e65f47cf.gif LUL

Sahn Uzal6 votes

I do have to wonder how under fed you were in that Scenario. I'm not gonna sit here and Defend Kog'Maw or anything, I ban him for a reason. But considering that level 15 Kog is standing in front of your nexus while that Taric is level 11... Yea...

Penns4 votes

Wasnt me, was https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=fátefálls on his smurf. Pretty sure he was level 16 with like item 3165 item 3157 item 3135 , maybe 15 but he got outplayed sadly xd

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Fuck, really?

Damn that's gross.

Penns1 votes

Ye it was on his stream, found the vod rite here https://www.twitch.tv/videos/166341233?t=01h36m06s lul

Arakadia1 votes

Kog' had some fucking meaty shields helping him there too. Those sure weren't part of him.

Slythion2 votes

Listen I'm all for making calling out Kog's current power, but don't post a clip of a fed af Kog with a 4 level lead on their team and try to act like it's a normal game-to-game occurrence

Yes Kog is broken, but let's not be spreading straight up lies just to bring attention to that fact

Penns1 votes

Not on their team, on their inting bot lane hehe

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/166341233?t=01h36m06s

Poske3 votes

I agree with everything you said

The hypercarry ADC meta atm is ...Cancerous

Nymzo3 votes

they are already HEALED AND SHIELDED they do not need to have their AA statchecking harder

This, so much fucking this. If heals and shields weren't so easy to apply, then yeah it would ''acceptable''.

It's already bad enough that Windspeaker not only upgrates the shield or heal (or both Janna) and gives defence buffs, but there's also item 3114 that upgrates them even more and then you get to item 3504... yea.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

All the really long ranged adcs are broken except for Cait who got gutted? Color me shocked. It's almost as if being long ranged with massive DPS is OP.

Best princess EU1 votes

is jinx broken right now?

DunkinNoobs1 votes

She would be if her laning phase wasn't so shit.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Do you think that the nerfs to Ardent Censer will significantly nerf this Kog strategy? It seems to be that Ardent Censer is a big part of this meta, but it's already on the chopping block on the PBE.

I've pretty much stopped building Ardent Censer on Taric already; I feel that it only really works on him because it's OP (and I have the luxury of not worrying about the optimal build because I'm only plat).

On the subject of Twitch, I've felt he needed a bunch of work even after his update. I agree the design now is pretty suspect, and it's seems like it only gets worse the higher you climb.

Ahristocats3 votes

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Do you think that the nerfs to Ardent Censer will significantly nerf this Kog strategy? It seems to be that Ardent Censer is a big part of this meta, but it's already on the chopping block on the PBE.

it will make the strategy weaker, but not balanced for few reasons: -kog itemization is just too much, the dude builds bruiser and deals an adc level of dps because of his Q -ardent is being nerfed in mid game, because in late game -10 flat draintanking is insignificant, while -10% attack speed is also a nerf in mid game because in late game kog has already too much attack speed due to his Q free attack speed and his items (he can reach 2.5 as)

i might be wrong, so i'm just going to wait and see what happens, my prediction is his win rate dropping by like 0.5 or 0.8% while in high elo he will remain pick/ban

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I've pretty much stopped building Ardent Censer on Taric already; I feel that it only really works on him because it's OP (and I have the luxury of not worrying about the optimal build because I'm only plat).

you're right, which is why they're not nerfing taric meddler said that they reverted taric nerfs on pbe because ardent is being nerfed

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On the subject of Twitch, I've felt he needed a bunch of work even after his update. I agree the design now is pretty suspect

you're right again

Big Lincoln1 votes

taric is OP with it and will continue to be because he can permanently reapply it to multiple people

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I think it will still be viable, but even with how strong it is now I actually prefer the playstyle of FotM/Locket rush. I just like my Taric to be tanky; he doesn't need AP for his heal since it also scales with bonus health, and I just don't find that many champs use the ardent censer proc that efficiently.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

huh. funny.

this is exactly the same build ive been running on kog when i get him on arams, and the one trolly game i played him on top lane after my placements at the start of the season.

Rainfall1 votes

tristana did not get any significant changes in the past patches,its just that so many popular adcs are now suboptimal picks and draven another of her counters is permabanned. All in all,with Caitlyn and Lucian
in a bad state and Draven permabanned only a few good picks are left

DaNinad1 votes

Dravens not even close to permabanned lol

Rainfall1 votes

not in challenger and diamond games,since they have higher priority bans, but he is mostly permabanned in plat- .

five oh tree 1 votes

What are your thoughts on varus adc?

Ahristocats1 votes

he's for sure weaker than the others

he's picked in lcs/competition because his utility is interesting, he's one of the 2 champs that has gravious wound in his kit but you know something that got popular? cleanse on adc+heal on sup and this ruins varus ult so hard at lvl 6

BenBaxter1 votes

Tank , adc meta sucks

hoganftw1 votes

Hopefully they buff Vayne some more. She's the true ADC that we need in this horrific meta.

GigglesO1 votes

DW I say that adc's are too strong again, and I just get down votes. No one wants to admit that adc's are extremely strong and don't even need to orb walk.

LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votes

You know wht rubick sama . League will never be the heavenly dota . Because the developper want to make a game for their image . See the crisis about flex queue and the removing of the solo queue . So wht i tell you is you need to proove these fck that you can carry harder than them and shit on them so we can play whatever we want everywhere . DESTROYING THE META IS DESTROYING THE CAGE WERE IN RUBICK SAMA . ( No joke this game should have end this supposed meta along time ago . Ppl are tired and this is why they play adc in other lane or off-meta pick . )

RainXBlade1 votes

I remember the time when item 3504 was a really niche item that offered good stats but were overshadowed by things like item 3190 (at least the shield on this was actually pretty easy to pop if you have good damage). Nowadays if you're a shield/enchanting support, it doesn't matter if you're behind or not, you can build item 3504 and you're automatically the most relevant champ in the game just because you bought this and spammed your shield/heal over your ADC who was 0/5 in the laning phase but is now wrecking stuff because of that item.

This is terribly unbalanced and Riot needs to nerf item 3504 and any support who can abuse this little item.

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