Why are we pretending Camille wins lane by default when she actually loses lane to most tops?

Arcyyy··4 votes·1,126 views

Darius - You can't mechanically outplay him. If you dodge his ult with yours, he can still ult you 1 second later because it doesn't go on cooldown. Your kit forces you to get close to him which is what you DON'T want to do vs a Darius. You can't beat him in extended trades since his passive will counter your fervor by default and since the nerfs his sustain is better than yours.

Poppy - W to stop you from closing on her, she can ult you out of your ult, E to stun you to a wall during your first E, shields your burst. She just fucks your entire life up. Fiora - Can Parry your E / Ult and put them on full cooldowns. Her true damage and sustain is better than yours. Pantheon - A Highly interactive, fun laning phase VS a high skill cap champion. He can just spam Q and force you to back, and he wins trades by default since his passive can block both of your Qs. You have no sustain to counter this anymore. Tryndamere - Lock him down for 2.5 seconds at level 6 now thanks riot and he'll just Press R before you manage to burst him down. His ult is back before yours. Rinse and repeat. He will definitely out trade you post 6, but you beat him pre 6 in a sense. Illaoi - Yes let me duel her in a small area that will end well.

11 Comments

PhDs Nuts5 votes

You explained Darius and Tryn as if they start the lane at level 6.

Tahminatrix 2 votes

For Illaoi I think you should just use R to finish her off, basically bait her into ulting and walk out then R after its done. As for dueling...I will never consider Camille to be a duelist, she simply has too much mobility to not be an assassin.

Can say the same for Tryndamere as vs illaoi. but unless you are fed he will wreck you.

As for Darius you could possibly duel him if you got item 3078 and a few item 3053item 3053 item 3053 along with item 3035 ...Lol but those arnt early laning phase items.

chipndip11 votes

This man said "There can't be mobile duelists. No way no how".

Sure thing.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

I did not say that? I said camille is too mobile to be one not that there cant be mobile duelist and i did not say no way no how?

Duelists can be mobile but when you cost a large portion of your kit going towards nothing but mobility...

chipndip11 votes

Gonna explain this the best I can once:

Camille is a duelist, but she's a diver's take on a duelist. She finds someone from a distance, jumps off walls to catch them, locks them down and cuts them up before they can escape. She's still designed to duel, hence her ult literally locking people into 1v1s. Doesn't mean she's magically not a duelist. Like what assassin is THIS tanky?

Tahminatrix 1 votes

rengar..........also bursting someone down within 5 seconds is not dueling them....its assassinating them.

AND you cant argue her ult is just for dueling people, it can be for catching people out, and displacing the enemy team.

chipndip11 votes

Rengar is built tanky, but he's naturally frail like any other assassin. Hell, people don't even do tank Rengo anymore so even that's kind of out the door. Camille is way better in extended fights than the average diver or assassin since she's designed to fly in from long distances and stick to enemies she catches.

If you're going to keep randomly flailing, I'm done. Either take the facts or just go on and do you.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

I am not randomly flailing?, and they just reworked rengar to be better in extended fights.... not only was camille in the assassin game mode, she is also naturally squishy..

Just because you say they are fact does not mean they are facts...they did rework rengar for extended fights and less burst, more sustained damage....but you don`t accept that?

Im done arguing with you then, ill do me :P

LyingOnLine2 votes

So 6 champions are most tops now?

l Dárius l2 votes

You mentioned 6 toplaners. Late game Darius, Poppy, and Pantheon get destroyed by Camille (And I know for Darius because when Camilles true damage q is doing about 60% of a 5 stack Darius ult and is being used over and over, and add on top of that Camille can (doesn't mean she has to) dodge Darius q with e)

Also, don't try to fight Illaoi in a closed space? It's not like Camille can't create a gap anyway LOL

Maximum Morde1 votes

ayyyyy lmao

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