Mobility and Poke on that level should not come with Sustain or with any amount of Utility for her allies. She already brings so much damage and potential scouting. Why does she also need to be able to heal better than most healers?
BardLivesMatter20 votesHer biggest problem is her leap.
Borfin9 votesHer biggest problem is her leap.
Why is this downvoted? It's true.
She has a 700+ range point and click execute if she lands her nuke. And the scaling is HORRID. AD nid is just as terrifying as AP.
Phoenix Kotori 2 votes
has a 1300 range point and click execute if he lands his nuke.
I know I shouldn't be using him as an example for balance but riot doesn't seem to want to change him.
Thefriendlyorc1 votesHonestly I dont know why they made it work on jungle creeps now. Or why they let her jump walls with it. If she is near any bush or wall and you arent Lee/Zed. You have NO hope of catching her, even if she's out of position.
OyddAWqJ5r11 votesShe's a typical generalist champion of this season along with all the others.
Definition of a LoL generalist: Jack of all trades, master of them all. What's a trade-off again?
Poptart Evelynn7 votesShe nothing for all in engages and is subpar in them. Heal is a needed tool in her kit.
Kingsgrave14 votes[{quoted}](name=Rawr Poptart Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PzhlxLg3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-21T21:15:13.083+0000)
She nothing for all in engages and is subpar in them. Heal is a needed tool in her kit.
Why does she need to be good at all in engages or good from recovering from them? She already has mega pushing and mobility
Poptart Evelynn5 votesWhy does she need to be good at all in engages or good from recovering from them? She already has mega pushing and mobility
Because it's sustained kite/pick champion. It's what they do.
If you all in her she is weak. She has clear weaknesses and easy to take advantage of. But hey, most people here lack 5's experience and can't truly judge how kits like these are suppose to work.
Direwolfiez11 votesGeneralist kits are horrible, mostly because they can do too much for what they give up. Why do you think people have problems with Lee and Zed?
Kingsgrave10 votesGeneralist kits are horrible, mostly because they can do too much for what they give up. Why do you think people have problems with Lee and Zed?
Honestly I don't think Zed qualifies as a generalist. His kit is pretty limited in terms of what it does.
Damage and Mobility. Thats it.
Lee and Nid do a little bit of literally everything.
Abyssphere15 votesHonestly I don't think Zed qualifies as a generalist. His kit is pretty limited in terms of what it does.
Damage and Mobility. Thats it.
Lee and Nid do a little bit of literally everything.
Nid doesn't have any crowd control, that's the big difference between her and Lee.
Partholonian7 votesAnd she has one AOE, which is melee range. That's a pretty serious limitation for a mage -- a class that includes 
etc.
Nid sucks in sieges (either as an attacker or as a defender) unless you can land one miracle spear on someone who built no MR and force them to retreat. And she has a weak teamfight presence.
Borfin1 votesAnd she has one AOE, which is melee range. That's a pretty serious limitation for a mage -- a class that includes
Nid sucks in sieges (either as an attacker or as a defender) unless you can land one miracle spear on someone who built no MR and force them to retreat. And she has a weak teamfight presence.
What are you talking about? Nid's spear outranges turrets. She doesn't even have to aim, just keep chucking blindly and get lucky once or twice. She has massive waveclear and can splitpush like crazy. Plus, her heal gives her attack speed which just chews turrets. She's a seige monster.
Did she hit anyone not packing 80+ MR? Oops, guess they're out of the fight for about 10-20 seconds depending while they back.
Direwolfiez3 votesHe actually has pretty good waveclear thanks to his energy regen efficiency and his passive, and he can still splitpush fairly well, even after his attack speed nerf. Admittedly, he isn't a true generalist champ, but he has so much extra stuff packed into his kit that compared to most other assassins, he's a generalist.
Sooko7 votesNidalee is like an abominated mix of Xerath, Yorick and Lee Sin.
She has poke, range, sustain and mobility, and this becomes especially true once she buys any item to keep her mana regen high enough to keep spamming.
And no, I don't think slightly nerfing her attack speed will fix it.
KaisadiIIa11 votesAnd no, I don't think slightly nerfing her attack speed will fix it.
Well, it worked well on Zed... no, wait, my mistake, it did not.
Silents4294 votesI actually have witnessed the attack speed nerf fucking over a Zed a few times now. Mainly involving his passive.
Rinky Dinky1 votesYeye
Partholonian3 votesYou're seriously comparing one long range skill that stops at the first minion and can damage one target max with THREE long range skills, two of which can hit multiple targets and the third is a hard CC?
Nid's poke is really weak compared to champions that are actually good at poke.
Partholonian1 votesSelf replied to add: and also, like all transform champions, Nid lacks a true fight-changing ult. Xerath's is... well, look at that, it's yet another super long range nuke! It's almost like he was built to be great at that and Nid wasn't.
She doesn't lose power when her ult is down, because it's never down -- but she also doesn't gain power when her ult is up. Nid with ult = most other champions WITHOUT ult.
ArcaneFox7 votesSo tired of the Nidalee complaints. Take away her heal, then whats next for you people to complain about? Nerf the spear again. Her cougar is too strong. It never ends. Learn how to play against her!
Direwolfiez6 votesMost of her human form kit is just random skills. Poke + nuke, vision + health shred, heal + attack speed buff. What is that supposed to encourage her to do? Hide in bushes and poke, like usual. She needs a full rework or she'll be just as annoying as usual whenever she gets buffs. Her human form kit was horribly designed.
Partholonian2 votesMost of her human form kit is just random skills. Poke + nuke, vision + health shred, heal + attack speed buff. What is that supposed to encourage her to do? Hide in bushes and poke, like usual.
Yes, exactly -- because she can't do jack in a teamfight. She's kind of like 
that way, which maybe explains some of the hate.
Force fights where she can't run away without giving up an objective or leaving her team to die, and she won't be a problem. Wander around aimlessly until someone gets picked off, and she'll be a BIG problem. The counters to Nid are vision, team coordination and shotcalling -- no wonder she's a pubstomper.
Rinky Dinky2 voteslmao you do realize she is being played in lcs and lks right now.
Better stomp that fukin faker scrub.
metaworldpeace106 votesYep, this champion is not well designed at all. Her ap build/ad build and jungling capabilities all have extremely toxic and unfun mechanics to play against. She needs a true rework.
Jaygo415 voteshow about we add mana costs to her cougar form so she has to make choices about what she does... ... nawww makes too much sense.
Kingsgrave1 voteshow about we add mana costs to her cougar form so she has to make choices about what she does... ... nawww makes too much sense.
That doesn't really do anything. Now she has even more incentive to build Tear and Lich Bane/Iceborne Gauntlet like she already does.
Rinky Dinky1 votesGates her early game, which is pretty ridiculous.
Her base stats and damage are crazy.
CooLTanG5 votesDon't forget the heal also gives 60% attack speed.......
Snarflaz4 votesya i think its true. Even though it cose a lot of mana to heal herself. It's a pain to see her outrade you. Even though you did more damage.
Kingsgrave13 votesya i think its true. Even though it cose a lot of mana to heal herself. It's a pain to see her outrade you. Even though you did more damage.
Who needs to care that it costs that much mana when you don't need Mana for half of your skills?
Thefriendlyorc6 votesThis. Not to mention her power in the jungle with blue. -_-
GloriousKaiser9 votesAlso, Top 
buy Dorans usually. So when you waveclear with your cougar form. BAM FREE MANA!!!!
branasce2 votesWho needs to care that it costs that much mana when you don't need Mana for half of your skills?
because the other half that you arent caring about actually cost mana. If she drains her mana pool, she essentially only has half of her abilities.
Kuro Banshee1 votesWhen other mana-based champions drain their mana pools they lose all their abilities. So Nidalee having half of her abilities still puts hers ahead. Especially seeing as those three abilities include an execute, a hop and a melee AoE... so she is still pretty well ahead of them.
branasce1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kuro Banshee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PzhlxLg3,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2015-02-23T00:55:24.519+0000)
When other mana-based champions drain their mana pools they lose all their abilities. So Nidalee having half of her abilities still puts hers ahead. Especially seeing as those three abilities include an execute, a hop and a melee AoE... so she is still pretty well ahead of them.
Very true. However, those abilities are essentially nidalees ultimate. I wouldnt say that shes ahead of the game. Changing form means changing her abilities so she will essentially only have 3 abilities available at a time until she transforms. Most other champions don't exactly transform like she does so they will have 4 abilities available to them.
The point was that the cost of the heal is still relatively high meaning that she'd drain her pool particularly faster than other champions if shes constantly heeling herself.
Kuro Banshee1 votesConsidering we have an Idiot playing Nidalee who waste all her mana on heals, she'll still have half of her spells. A Garen Ult on a 5 second cooldown, a Kassadin Riftwalk with no mana cost and a decent wave clear ability with her swipe.
But the issue to me is that Nidalee is a close-range assassin with a lack cc, which she makes up for using her Powerful skills and Traps combine with her mobility. The heal although somewhat expensive has no place in her kit, sustain is something that Assassin's shouldn't possess innately. Its the only skill she posses that doesn't synch with her other abilities, so if anything it should be replaced with something that does.
Eeyore4 votesAt most you could rip off Skittering Frenzy and do "Nidalee's target gains 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 % attack speed and their attacks restore 5 / 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 (+5% AP) health."
Xenohaz2 votesThat would be more balanced and a lot cooler thematically. EDIT: Ok thinking about it maybe it wouldn't be more balanced. I still think it sounds cooler thematically though.
Kobila20004 votesI would rather they remove her moronic spammable hop.
Privyet Suka4 votesHer biggest problem is that people don't know how to dodge. She is similar to Akali with her rework but if she doesn't land her skill or if traps are avoided she cannot dash to you. Her sustain isn't really a huge thing since it doesn't heal for much unless you build her pure AP. Now a days she is built as a bruiser and there are a lot of bruisers with crazier sustain and more damage that don't need to change forms to be able to use it.
Rinky Dinky2 votesI see full AP nidalee 10 times more than Bruiser
Zendrô2 votesThe heal is just so random for her right now... IMO her human form should be all about marking her target so she can leap in with cougar form.
maikokk2 votesher heal is only good if she goes straight AP... if she goes straight AP she is squishy as hell and has no other sustain. truth is AD nid has more healing available to her with Q lifesteal nukes, and bruiser/hybrid nid is harder to deal with in general. her heal is the least of your problems if you are laning against her.
xl Kirito lx2 votesRemove her ability to reset pounce after hitting a pounced target with it.
Alëk1 votesNidalee is currently a Lee Sin without CC. IMO if you actually want to whine about someone, whine bout him.
Focus Teemo2 votesNidalee is currently a Lee Sin without CC. IMO if you actually want to whine about someone, whine bout him.
That moment when you realize she is a stronger jungler than even Lee sin now. Or did i imagine all the bans/picks in competitive? No i didn't, you're just shifting blame!
Alëk1 votes[{quoted}](name=Focus Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PzhlxLg3,comment-id=001d0000,timestamp=2015-02-23T02:59:17.415+0000)
That moment when you realize she is a stronger jungler than even Lee sin now. Or did i imagine all the bans/picks in competitive? No i didn't, you're just shifting blame!
Whoa whoa m8 its ok. Nidalee is much easier to play than Lee Sin. She is not a better jungler. She just clears better than him and that does not account for much. Lee Sin is a stronger ganker and NId can sustain and clear better in the jungle. And in higher level play, Lee Sin is without a doubt much stronger than Nidalee.
Focus Teemo1 votesWhoa whoa m8 its ok. Nidalee is much easier to play than Lee Sin. She is not a better jungler. She just clears better than him and that does not account for much. Lee Sin is a stronger ganker and NId can sustain and clear better in the jungle. And in higher level play, Lee Sin is without a doubt much stronger than Nidalee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_p5GhJFcpM#t=626
C9 and DIG must be bronze five then... i mean picking Nidalee over Lee sin? Clearly Meteos is a bad jungler... also Jarvan was unfairly nerfed because he got solo killed by Nidalee... a "balanced jungler".
Lee Sin is NOT as good as Nidalee in higher level/competitive play. What if i told you Vi is currently a better pick as well(well for most team comps)?
Alëk1 votes[{quoted}](name=Focus Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PzhlxLg3,comment-id=001d000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-24T00:36:07.894+0000)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_p5GhJFcpM#t=626
C9 and DIG must be bronze five then... i mean picking Nidalee over Lee sin? Clearly Meteos is a bad jungler... also Jarvan was unfairly nerfed because he got solo killed by Nidalee... a "balanced jungler".
Lee Sin is NOT as good as Nidalee in higher level/competitive play. What if i told you Vi is currently a better pick as well(well for most team comps)?
I didn't say nid was balanced. Just because Meteos chose NId over Lee it doesn't make her a better jungler. Basing everything off of pros actions will never result in anything good. Pros are pros, and thus can make decisions based off of their preferences. However, with all things considered Lee offers more in the long run than nidalee does. Whereas Nidalee without a doubt beats Lee in poke, she would have to build a lot of AP, reducing her capabilities as a bruiser with teamfight capabilities. If she builds AD or just bruiser, she reduces poke but increases teamfight capability. Lee is someone who, while building bruiser, can instagib a squishy, offer strong CC in teamfights, peel for the adc, AND splitpush. Also just fyi Nidalee COUNTERS J4. He couldn't beat her in a 1v1 at any stage in the game unless he got fed. He can't keep her in the wall with his ult. She can dodge his EQ with her leap. She just beats him in every stage. You can't really compare the two m8.